Edinburgh Muslims

For a City Centre Central Mosque there is a great responsibility to undertake and to honour.

It is a shame that the sheer volume of Muslims here in Edinburgh are expected to share very basic and rapidly deteoriating Wudhu facilities. As a muslim I am embarrassed and appalled.

Being from Brazil, even we have better hygiene facilities.

Your Brother in Islam - Afzal (visiting Edinburgh)

Assalaam-u-alaikum,

I agree with your view brother. The facilities really are dire! I am glad that you guys have had the guts to initiate this voicebox to express our views - Shukraan.

As an aside, there have been many other issues where we Edinburgh Muslims have quietly accepted events taking place at this Central Mosque. How do I get other topics started ??

Brother Chamraan (Malaysia)

I agree the wudha facilities are not upto the required standard.

will the mosque ever get a permanent Imam ?

Why is there no accountability for the mosque, no one has seen a set of accounts produced ?
If it is a registered charity then there should be nothing to hide ? No one know where the funds are going or where they are being spent ?

Why has the management not set a clear list of people in charge, problems are never dealt with and always ignored by management.

Salaams Brothers,

Ref: I agree with the comments made by Adam - financial accountability [honest and transparent accounting].

WOW - it seems that something suspicious is happening here....!

I didn't realise that this existed - congratulations to all those involved in setting this website up!

I thought that in our religion of Islam, that it is fundamental to be honest even if the truth hurts you!

Adam's comments have now made me very curious - I think Tax inspectors examining the personal accounts of the mosque managers would be an interesting proposition to vote for!

Or very simply and very preferably - just a set of accounts showing where the funds are being spent. Not an unreasonable request - surely?!?

Afzal
(of Brazil)

Salaams,

Hehehehe, looks like this particular mosque has 'many' issues that need to come to light - I for one am totally for it.
Questions that I want answered are:
Who are the people running this place?
Why was the previous Imam - who was very learned, helpful and eloquent - asked to leave and treated so disgracefully. A great injustice has occurred to the muslims of Edinburgh since this Imam's departure.
Why is there a constant stench in the Wuzu are? (as muslims trying to perform ablutions - this cannot be right or acceptable)
Why are the accounts such a secret?
Is there room for another Central mosque in Edinburgh -that will be for the people and run by honest people ?
Who do we formally complain to?

Oh Allah, help us all in remaining on this true, straight, noble and enlightened Path of Islam. Guide us always to do the right thing and forgive us the sins that we do unknowingly.

I sincerely hope that as an Edinburgh muslim - something constructive and agreeable will happen.

Jazak-allah brothers for starting the ball rolling. I will let people know that this site exists!

Javed Maqsood Khan

assalamu alaikum

I would like to share with you the same concerns.
I am so happy to present my feedback about what's going on in the central mosque here in Edinburgh, and its careless administration.

I highly suggest on this website admin to add an Arabic page in it so the Saudi authorities can hear our voice , otherwise this complain will die while no one will hear our voice.

We cry to the Saudi Ambassador, Saudi authorities as well as Muslim World League & Ministry of Islamic affairs to cargo Mr. hamad Al-matodi or Matroodi back home. For he is the worst careless corrupted man I ever seen.
We experienced this evil dodger stingy who give no respect to scholars and religious people.

We need to raise all our voices and get united against him for he is playing in the mosque a KJB system, training people to become like him doubled faces spreading his spies every where.

The whole atmosphere in the mosque is poisoned because of him and his evil team.

MATROODI IS EVIL LIAR WHO GIVE NO RESPECT:
NEITHER TO THE CENTRAL MOSQUE.
NOR TO ISLAM.
NOR TO THE SAUDI BELOVED & REPECTED KINGDOM

All community hate him.
He is dictator rold runner from prayer, as we always see him, sitting in the next cafe while people are performing the prayer.

SHAME ON YOU MATROODI.

I heard many people saying they don't come to the mosque because of this man, although I don't find that a good justification, but I suggest a petition should be done here with real names and full addresses of people who are willing to speak out for the of both,the mosque and the community.

This man is sticking to his position for more than ten years, while usualy he should've been moved away since six years.

May Allah help in improving the miserable situation of this mosque.

The mosque recently made the car park automated and said that it would provide free parking for prayers 15 minutes before prayer and 15 minutes after prayer. OK seems like a noble cause but before this car was free in the evening now it is not, so what happens in Ramadan when people are praying for over an hour, based on the new system it won't be free like it was last year.
So really the motives of the management of the mosque should be questioned. Is Central mosque there to provide a service for the community or it is there to make money. There is no harm in making money as long as it is used in the community so then why it is not transparent? Why has a set of account never been provided by management, why has the collection of donations never been disclosed where has it been spent? Where is all the money going if the facilities are not being improved?
If MP's expenses in the UK can be questioned why can’t the mosques expense be questioned?
For 10 years the management have not told anyone what they do with the revenue from the car park, mosque kitchen, donations, outside funding and any other funding - surely someone should be accountable for it, if it is not being spent in the mosque where is it being spent ?

Don't forget brothers those embarrassing videos which show a mosque kitchen being opened inside a dancing night club with a wide big panel titled as (Mosque Kitchen) serving those who drink and dance and do dirty stuffs, having this branch of the mosque kitchen in front of the central mosque for the second year, it just proved that the administration of the mosque are nothing but business makers.
Watch these links:
File one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FtZhjqToAw&feature=related
File two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6oaXOhyj3Y&feature=related
file three:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQZLAQ5XcB4&feature=related
file four:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KQY2iZ8W8o&feature=related
This scandal was supposed to be enough reason to cast Mr. Hamad Al Matroodi and his fanatic group out, or to give him a journey back home.

I would say that the community too is responsible for not taking any action against this corrupted administration as well as this scandal.

If Mr. Matroodi was really unaware of this deformation of our beloved mosque he would have been blaming his own kitchen staff from making contracts with night clubs in the name of the central mosque, unfortunately, he did nothing.

أسأل الله أن ينتقم من الظالم حمد المطرودي وأن يريه في أولاده ما يستحقه فإنه طغى واستبد واسصتهان بحقوق الجالية المسلمة في أدنبره وتصرف في المركز.

أرجو من الإخوة جميعا من الجالية العربية في أدنبره أن يدلوا بآرائهم في هذا الموقع وأن يقولوا كلمة الحق ولا يخافوا في الله لومة لائم فإن هذا الجبار الظالم المسمى حمد المطرودي
مستهتر بحقوق الجالية وهو يقسمهم ويؤلب بعضهم على بعض ويسلط بعضهم على بعض بالجاسوسية فيتظاهرون بأنهم معارضون له ليأتوه بالأخبار من خصومه.

وهو لا يبالي بحقوق المسلمين الذين سوف يأخذون برقبته يوم القيامة.
وهو لا يريد أن يكون هناك إماما للمسجد ويسارع إلى التخلص من أي إمام يعترض على سلوكياته الشاذة

كإتيانه بالحسناوات البولنديات فيدخلن المسجد لتنظيفه وبعضهن تأتي وهي سكرانة.

وقد نبهناه من قبل وأخبرنا الإمام أن يحذره من هذا العمل ولكنه حاول التخلص من الإمام وبقي المسجد بلا إمام إلى يومنا هذا.

أرجو من الاخوة الكرام لا سيما أحبابنا من الجالية الجزائر والمغرب وتونس وليبيا أن يشاركوا في هذا الموقع ويقولوا كلمة الحق.

فقد آن الأوان للإجهاز على هذا الظالم المستبد.
جزاكم الله خير الجزاء.
وجزى الله القائمين على الموقع لإتاحة الفرصة لأن نعلن حقوقنا ونعبر عن مشاعرنا في هذا الموقع.

والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته.

Assalamu Alaikum.

Relating to the issues and problems of the central mosque I would like to say that I heard that 18 months ago £75K-£80K was spent on the wuzu area and was wondering if any one can justify this as this area is still in a mess.

Assalamu Alaikum.

Also, I would like the answers to the following questions:

Who is in charge?

Is there any committee?
If there is how does it operate?

Who is in charge of the financial side of the mosque and is that person accountable to anyone?

How are the funds raised to fund the mosque and where are these funds allocated?

What staff is kept at the mosque and what are their job titles?

These are really important questions which must be answered as I personally come and go quite often and I don't think that there is a happy-medium in the mosque or within the community itself.

What is the purpose of having a mosque? Is this what our Prophet (pbuh) taught us?

The Prophet (pbuh) taught us the mosque is a place of worship, its a place for the muslims to gather togather and pray together, its a place where we should be aware of each others personal situations i.e, if bad behaviour guide him to right path, if ill help them out, etc, its a house of Allah and is open to both muslims and non-muslims.

Being an accounting student myself I would expect that the accounts of the mosque should be published monthly so that the community are aware of what income has been raised and where it has been spent as you whoever is in charge of the mosque and the financial side will be accountable to Allah. Therefore, it is better to be accountable here than there.

I have heard that the ghusul facilities that are available are unacceptable and should be upgraded. Have you ever seen the shower or bath tub that we install in our own homes? We spent hundreds of £s on it and when it comes to our deceased we can't even give them the proper ghusul because the mosque could not be bothered to provide appropriate facilities for it.

WHO IS THE IMAM OF THE MOSQUE?

IS HE FULLY EDUCATED?

WE HAVE BEEN PROMISED AN IMAM FOR SO LONG BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE ONE. WHAT'S GOING ON?

Is the mosque a place of worship or is it a business?

If it’s a place of business then I don’t have anything more to say.

If it is a place of worship then run it the way that our beloved Prophet (pbuh) taught us to run it.

Why do we have to pay for parking?

It should be free for all muslims who go to pray.

They have put a barrier up at the entrance of the car park which is faulty and should be looked at as soon as possible because it is causing inconvenience for the community.

The old building has been left empty for the past few years, so, why don’t they upgrade it and use it wisely for educational purposes, eg, children’s educational classes, play are for kids, adult classes, etc.

Is the mosque hungry for money?

There should be a multicultural Imam which can integrate with the community.

There should be a funeral committee which can be approached in such a time so as to arrange the funeral from start to finish and provide appropriate staff to help if necessary.

هذا الرجل مركزي جدا ولا يسمح لأحد أن يشاركه نفوذه.
والوصف الذي صار شائعا ومعروفا عنه أنه قد اتخذ المسجد مصدرا للتجارة والنفوذ وأنه أناني جشع لا يبالي بالدين ويهين المشايخ وطلبة العلم ويستهزئ بهم.

وقد شكته الجالية منذ عدة سنوات وكاد أن يحمل كلاكيشه ويعود إلى بلاده لولا وصول بعض الدعم له من الخارج.
ولا يزال مكروها مبغوضا من الجالية.

وقد شهد عليه عدة أئمة بأنه يهرب من الصلاة ويتخفى في مكتبه وأنه لم يأت لصلاة الفجر منذ عدة سنين.
وأشهد الشيخ دمشقية عليه الناس في هروبه من الصلاة.

وأنا أعجب من بقائه في هذا المنصب ومصارعته عليه وإيوائه لجماعة من متعصبي الاخوان يأخذون أموال الصدقة وينفقونها على جماعتهم. ويتزعمهم في ذلك واحد باكستاني اسمه صهيب.
بينما جماعة المسجد يضعونها في الصناديق بهدف الصدقة.

وهذا حمد المطرودي يفتح لهم الباب على مصراعيه لأنه لا يعرف العمل الدعوي أصلا. وإنما يشتري الشقق ويبيعها ويتخذ من المسجد بزنس.

بل يخاف أن يتكلم أمام الناس ويتلعثم ويصاب بالاختناق وكأنه يلفظ أنفاسه الأخيرة. وقد حكى لي أحدهم أنه يتظاهر بأنه مصاب بمرض ولذلك لا يستطيع أن يتكلم.
بل على ما علمت أنه مصاب بعدة أمراض بينما لا يزال يلهث على الدنيا ويصارع ويظلم الآخرين عليها.

ولهذا لا مانع عنده أن يلتف من حوله مجموعة ممن يتظاهرون بالعمل الدعوي ممن لهم أطماع مستقبلية بالاستحواذ على المسجد.
وهؤلاء الإخوان معروفون: لا ولاء ولا براء إلا من أهل السنة.
ولا عقيدة بل عقيدتهم فقه المصلحة والتزلف للكفار.
وفتاويهم في تمييع الدين معروفة.

I invite all brothers and sisters to put all their complains against this selfish wrongdoer, specially those who know the truth among Arabic brothers to speak the truth and to be fair and just in their testimony

Oh Allah if you know that this man is oppressing the community and the Imams of this mosque show us in him what you make as a lesson for all. And cast him away from this mosque and it's Jama3ah
AAmeen.

يا إخواننا أرجوكم أن تشهدوا شهادة الحق وأن تعلنوا أصواتكم ضد هذا الظالم المستبد. فإن هذه الشهادة سوف تكون في صالح المسجد وجماعته.
جزاكم الله خيرا.
اللهم إن كنت تعلم أن هذا الظالم قد طغى وبغى وظلم الجالية وأئمة هذا المسجد فأرنا اللهم فيه ما تجعله عبرة لكل ظالم.
اللهم انتقم منه شر انتقام واصرفه عن الجالية واصرف وقيد للمسجد وجماعته من يتقيك في المسجد وجماعته.

اللهم آمين

What makes me angry is the administration's insistence of allowing non muslim tourist women entering the mosque with their thaihs shown and people in the mosque must keep silent.

Why shouldn't this Hamad Al-matroodi buy some abayats for them so they should hear it before entering the mosque?

Is this allowed in Islam?
Church doesn't allow this why Muslims should allow it?

It seems to me that this administration is westernized and has no more sense of chivalry and vigilant care of concern about faith, modesty and decency.

Brother Waleed

I heard that sheikh dimashqiah who was the Imam of the mosque was angry because of this and warned Hamad Al-Matroodi many times but he refused the advice and conspired against him.

May Allah cause him more diseases for his conspiracy against him and against the community.

assalam alykoum Brother and sister,
please brother feare Allah and all what you writing will be witness on front of allah.
mybe we need to ask the guidess for this people not to make deaa against them, what the point and the reason the make deaa on thier familly and kids,
assalam alykoum

نشكر حكومة خادم الحرمين الشريفين على ماتوليه من دعم ومساندة للمشاريع الخيرية في جميع بقاع العالم ويجب ان اذكر الجميع ان المملكة العربية السعودية رعاها الله مستمرة في مسيرتها المباركة في انشاء وتعمير المساجد في ارجاء المعمورة وهي تسعى بكل ما اوتيت من جهد وقدرة في ايصال رسالة الاسلام الى الاخرين بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة واتباع منهج رسول السلام صلى الله عليه وسلم .من هنا كان التنبيه على ان النصيحة في الاسلام ليست انتقاما شخصيا او سبا او شتما فما كان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم بالسباب ولا اللعان ولا الفاحش البذيءبل كان يقابل الاساءة بالاحسان اتباعا للمنهج الرباني (ولا تستوي الحسنة ولا السيئة ادفع بالتي هي احسن فالذي بينك وبينه عدواة كأنه ولي حميم)وقد قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم عندما وصفت عائشة رضي الله عنها اخرى بانها قصيرة تقليلا من شأنها قال (لقد قلت كلمة لو مزجت بماء البحر لمزجته ) ان النصيحة ليست تجريحا او سبا او شتما او قذفا او لعانا او تشهيرا او وصفا بذيئا. ان الاسلام جاء ليذهب الحرج من الصدور والغل من النفوس والحسد من القلوب والبغض والمقت من الافئدة ففرق بين النصيحة والفضيحة وبين التنبيه للخطأ والسباب والشتم والقذف.لقد صح الخبر عن رسول البشر صلى الله عليه وسلم (ليس المسلم بالطعان ولا اللعان والفاحش البذئ) منبها الى ان المسلم الحق من سلم المسلمون من لسانه ويده. إن الخطأ وارد وهو سمة من سمات البشر وصفة من صفات الانسانية (كل ابن آدم خطآء وخير الخطآئين التوابون)ووجود الخطأ ان وجد لا يعني التجني والتهجم بالتجريح .فماكان هذا من صفات الرسل صلوات الله وسلامهم عليه .من هنا تجدر الاشارة الى ان الاسلام جاء حاثا المسلمين على الرفق فيما بينهم والتعاطف والتكاتف فالمسلم للمسلم كالبنيان المرصوص يشد بعضه بعضا فلا يخذله ولا يظلمه ولا يسبه ولا يشتمه بل حقه عليه احترامه وحفظ عهده ونصرته ومواساته بدلا من الاساءة اليه.فنصيحة للقائم على هذا الموقع وتذكيرا له بالله والاخرة ان يسلك الطريق القويم في النصيحة وينهج منهج الانبياء والاتقياءوالاصفياء الذين رضي الله عنهم ورضوا عنه وان يعيد النظر في عمله من خلال عرضه على اداب الشريعة الغراء والحنيفية السمحاء. رحمني الله واياك واراني واياك طريق الحق المبين والسبيل القويم
وصلى الله وسلم على نبينا محمد وعلى الله آله وصحبه اجمعين

الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله
أما بعد:
فإن الموقع قد أسس لفتح المجال للجالية المسلمة في أدنبرة للتعبير عن شجونها وحاجتها. ولإسماع صوتها الذي عمدت إدارة المسجد على كتمانه.
والجالية تشكو من إهمال إدارة المسجد لحقوقها ومطالبها ولا تسمح الإدارة بأي شكل من أشكال التعبير ويتميز مدير المسجد بالمركزية المطلقة والتخلص ممن يظن فيهم المنافسة على المنصب.
فقد أوصلوا شكاويهم إلى السفارة السعودية وناشدوا سعادة السفير أن يستمع إلى شكواهم فلم يسمعوا منه شيئا.
وأوصلوا شكواهم إلى مدير الرابطة فلم يصلهم منه أي جواب.
وأوصلوا شكواهم إلى وزير الشئون الاسلامية في المملكة العربية السعودية فلم يصلهم منه أي جواب. وكان أملهم أن ترسل الرابطة أو الوزارة أو السفارة من يسمع منهم بما يمكن أن ينهي هذا الاشكال الذي لم تزل الجالية تعاني منه منذ سنوات.
فلم يبق للجالية بعد تجاهل حقوقهم إلا أن يعبروا عن حقوقهم واعتراضهم على وجود أمثال هذا المدير إلا الانترنت.
وكون مدير المسجد يتهرب من الصلاة ويشهد عليه العديد من الناس أمر لا يحتاج معه الى مجرد نصيحة بل المبادرة بالمطالبة بإقصائه لأن مثل هذا العمل يتعارض أصلا مع أقل الشروط المطلوبة ممن نصب نفسه ليكون قائما على إدارة المسجد.
وقد نصحوه مرارا أن لا يأذن بدخول السافرات الكاشفات عن أفخاذهن إلى المسجد فلم يستجب لمطلبهم.
وهو يسمح لبعض الحزبيين من الاستحواذ على المسجد والطعن في مشايخ المملكة والتحذير من النهج السلفي.
وقد أيضا نصحوه ان لا يسمح بدخول البولنديات إلى المسجد لا سيما وهن بحالة السكر فلم يستجب لمطلبهم.
والجالية تعلم تماما أنه لا يستجيب لأي مطلب أبدا، وقد يئس من مناصحته.
فلما انفتح لها باب من التعبير عن سخطهم على هذا المدير إذا بصاحب المقال يحول هذا التعبير إلى شتم وسباب بل أعطاه صورة الاعتراض على حكومة المملكة.
لا سيما أنه ابتدأ كلامه بالثناء على حكومة المملكة العربية السعودية على ما توليه من خدمات للاسلام والمسلمين. وكأنه يفهمنا أن من يعترض على مدير المسجد فسوف يعتبر معترضا على المملكة. وهو تمويه وتلبيس باطل.
فإن الجالية في أدنبرة تفخر بالمملكة وأمرائها وعلمائها، وتشهد بسخاء يد المملكة وتدين بعقيدتها. ولكنها ترضى بوجود أمثال هذا المدير الذي أسهم بشكل كبير جدا في تشويه سمعتها بسلوكياته ومركزيته.
بل هو الذي يستهتر بعلمائها أمثال الشيخ الداعية العلامة الشيخ محمد الصالح المدرس في السعودية والذي أقسم أن لا يدخل أدنبرة ما دام حمد المطرودي فيها.
فالجالية مع مدير المسجد أمام تعاني من أمرين أحلاهما مر:
إذا قدموا له مطالبهم تجاهلها.
وإذا اضطروا لإعلان شكاويهم على الانترنت هدد ولوح بأن هذا الاعتراض يعتبر نقدا للملكة وطعنا فيها وتجاهلا لما تقدمه من دعم للاسلام والمسلمين.
هذه الشكاية ليست سبا ولا شتما كما حاول المعترض إيهامه للناس. ولا وقوفا ضد المملكة التي نشهد بدعمها الكبير لكل عمل خيري.

تصحيح خطأ:
ولكنها ترضى. والصحيح أنها لا ترضى بوجود أمثال هذا المدير

وبالمناسبة نود أن نسأل صاحب المقال:

لماذا ابتدأ مقاله بتوجيه الخطاب إلى حكومة المملكة؟؟؟
أليس قد كشف نفسه بذلك؟
كان يكفيه أن يوجه النصح إلى صاحب الموقع بدلا من أن يقحم المملكة فيما بينه وبين الجالية.

ولكن هذا الأسلوب الفاشل لم يكن في صالحه.
فانكشفت نواياه السيئة بهذا الاسلوب

بل إن الجالية تطالب المسئولين في رابطة العالم الاسلام ووزارة الشئون الاسلامية في السعودية بفتح ملف للتحقيق في قضية فتح مطعم باسم المسجد الذي أقيم في المرقص الليلي الذي يبعد عن المسجد أمتارا قليلة وليس بعيدا عنه.

هذه مهزلة شوهت سمعة الاسلام وأساءت للجالية في أدنبرة.
ومدير المسجد لم يفعل شيئا تجاه ذلك.
ويجب أن يتحمل كافة المسئولية عن هذا العمل السيء.

المطالبة قدمت من قبل الجالية منذ شهور بدون جدوى.
وتم تقديم الشكاوي الأخرى قبلها منذ عشر سنوات ضد حمد المطرودي لكن الجالية تأسف أن تقول لم يسمع صوتها أبدا.

فلم يعد تقديم الشكوى فضيحة ولا تجريحا ولا نابعا من أحقاد شخصية كما أوهم صاحب المقال بل هي مطالبة بتكريم المسجد من الدنس.
الاتيان بالبولنديات السافرات السكرانات إهانة للمسجد.
وإدخال شبيهات العاريات إلى المسجد كاشفات للأفخاذ إهانة للمسجد.
وفتح فرع لمطعم المسجد داخل المرقص الليلي مع وضع صورة للمسجد أمام عنوان مطعم المسجد إهانة وتدنيس للمسجد.
فأي لوم بعد هذا كله على الجالية وهي تعلن شكواها التي لم تسمع منذ سنوات عديدة؟

وهذه روابط ملفات الفيديو الأربعة للمطعم التابع للمسجد داخل الملهى الليلي والتي وضعها أحد الإخوة من قبل

File one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FtZhjqToAw&feature=related
File two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6oaXOhyj3Y&feature=related
file three:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQZLAQ5XcB4&feature=related
file four:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KQY2iZ8W8o&feature=related

وهذه الفضيحة تشكل أكبر وصمة عار ضد الجالية المسلمة وضد كرامة المسجد وتعتبر فضيحة لمدير المسجد المركزي في أدنبره حمد المطرودي.

فقد خجلت الكنيسة أن تفتح فرعا لها داخل المرقص الليلي.
ولكن الجشع واستغلال موسم أوغست الذي يدر الأموال العظيمة كسر طوق الخجل عند هذه الإدارة والمطعم الذي تحتها حتى فتحوا فرعا لمطعم المسجد وكتبوا عنوانه ( مطعم المسجد ) ووضعوا صورة رمزية عن المسجد.

ليس هذا الذنب خاصا يستتر به المذنب وإنما صار وصمة عار وعمل إجرامي معلن أمام الناس يجب أن يوقف مدير المسجد ويتعرض للاستجواب والمساءلة.
هذا أمر متعلق بكرامة كل مسلم في الجالية المسلمة في تلك المدينة.

ملف الفيديو الأول

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FtZhjqToAw&feature=related

ملف الفيديو الثاني

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6oaXOhyj3Y&feature=related

ملف الفيديو الثالث:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQZLAQ5XcB4&feature=related

ملف الفيديو الرابع:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KQY2iZ8W8o&feature=related

اللهم من كان وراء هذا العار فانتقم منه جزاء وفاقا لما شوه به دينك وامتهن بيتك ومسجدك.

Alot of specific complaints here. I think we have to be a little bit fairer in our judgement. True, the toilets are a disaster zone. I personally prefer to do Wudu before coming to the Mosque. The refit that was done a few yrs back was definately a cowboy job.

However, I think its unfair to blame the Mosque for what the mosque kitchen does. It is my understanding that the kitchen area is leased and is not anything to do with the Mosque. If i rent my car to you, and you do illegal activity with it, you are responsible.

As far as financial aspects go, has anyone actually seen how much is collected on any given friday? I was chatting at the front door with a friend last Jumma and the collection box was pityful to say the least. This is not a one-off. I would seriously doubt is £200 is collected on Jumma. Now thats a shame. How much do you reakon it costs to run the mosque? Hate to think.

So many people on here have hoo'd and haa'd about accounts. Why should they publish accounts when that information is readily available? Do be so ignorant brothers.

I would suggest if anyone has a particular problem, approach Mr Matrodi and express your concerns. Chatting on a forum does not solve anything. I would even go so far as to say it only amplifies frustrations that are clearly building.

With regards to the last comment made, the whole purpose of this discussion is to get some kind of improvement in the running of the mosque. If nothing is ever disclosed and no complaints to the management are ever resolved then this of course leads to frustration in the community.

With regards to the mosque kitchen issue, they need to act responsibly towards how represent the mosque, regardless of whether it is a separate company, people associate the mosque kitchen with the mosque so they should be aware of the responsibility of the burden they carry to represent the mosque in a positive way. The mosque should also be aware of their activities outside the mosque so they don't damage the reputation of the mosque; this is what has happened when they decided to sell their food in the pub, under the banner of the mosque.

All the mosque management has to do is be transparent with their finances and put a procedure to deal with issues. 10 years is too long for problems and complaints to be ignored.

On your second comment people have approached Mr Matrodi in the past and guess what nothing has been done, complaints have been not resolved satisfactorily and when the person making the complain wants to take it further guess what - all of a sudden there have been problems created for them by the local authorities - i.e. someone is abusing their links with the UK government to report them for anything they can think of to local authorities to keep these people silent. If this fair?

Is it fair if someone complaints officially to the mosque about the problems, the management use their position of good links with the local authorities to complain about them without sufficient evidence? This has been the case and people are scared to complain because their livelihood has been affected, there have been several know cases of this.

It's time all these issues come to light they have been hidden for too long and it is important that everyone should know what is taking place in Edinburgh Central mosque. All the people want is a FAIR AND TRANSPARENT system, is that too much to ask for these days?

المطرودي يحاول أخذ الناس بالعاطفة والتحذير من الغيبة والنميمة بينما يستخدم نظام التجسس وبث العيون وخداع الناس حتى صار كثيرون يخافون أن يبوحوا بما في نفوسهم لا سيما أمام من يظهر لهم كراهية المطرودي لأنه ثبت وجود من يتظاهرون بالاعتراض على المطرودي ليكشفوا له خصومه ويأتوا بأخبارهم.

وهذا ما سمم جو المسجد وحوله إلى بيئة ملوثة من المخابرات بدلا من نشر جو الاخوة والمحبة.

ولعل الأجدى والأصلح لمثل هذه الشخصية المريضةأن تعمل في الكي جي بي أو السي أي إي وليس في مسجد يفترض أن يسوده جو المحبة والتآخي في الله.

والله لقد قال أحد الإخوة في المسجد صرنا نخاف من أن نتفوه بالاعتراض أمام أقرب الناس إلينا بعدما دهشنا من سرعة وصول الأخبار إلى حمد المطرودي مما جعلنا نتيقن من وجود عيون وجاوسيس كثيرين لهذا المطرودي.

وتحت ذريعة حرمة الغيبة والنميمة يريد هذا الرجل إسكات الناس وتكميم أفواههم عن أن يبينوا إهماله للمسجد وتخويف المعترضين عليه بمنعهم من الحصول على تأشيرة الى السعودية وإغراء المتعاملين معه بعمرة مجانية.

لو كان الرجل يكره الغيبة والنميمة لما قام بتنشيط نظام الجاسوسية ولما سلط على إمام المسجد من يهدده بالضرب.

لقد صار حمد المطرودي كابوسا للمسجد المركزي في أدنبره وآن الأوان للمناداة بتخليص المسجد منه ومن شرذمته.
وكثير من أبناء الجالية من ترك الصلاة في المسجد بسببه هو وزبانيته. واكتفى الآخرون بالصلاة والخروج مباشرة بعدها مباشرة لما يرون من الجو الكئيب الذي خيم عليه هذا النمط الجاسوسي الذي فرضه حمد المطرودي.

وأقول للذي كتب مقالا يذكر فيه بحرمة الغيبة.

لا تنس أن الله حرم قبل الغيبة التجسس.

قال تعالى ولا تجسسوا ولا يغتب بعضكم بعضا.

فلماذا يحتج علينا بتحريم الغيبة في الآية ولا يذكر نفسه ولا المطرودي بحرمة التجسس الذي صار أمرا واضحا ومعروفا ومتواترا عنه في المسجد.

الغيبة حرام
والتجسس على المسلمين حلال؟؟؟

RE: brother Masood's comments.

I go to the mosque and pray. I dont concern myself with anything other than that. As a result, the only thing that would affect me is the wudu area. As previously mentioned, i even try to avoid this.

I feel like im beating a dead donkey here. Though i agree the name 'Mosque' should not be associated with any wrong doing as shown in the youtube vids, i still find it unfair to blame the mosque itself. Think about it. Does this mean the mosque should get a list of places in advance where the kitchen staff will be operating? I think the Mosque would assume that the 'brothers' in the mosque kitchen would act resposibly and especially so as they are using the its name. It is truly a shame that this has happened and especially when you see the arrogance of the brother in the youtube vid saying "whats wrong with that?".

Re finances: The mosque always has printed and shown its finances as does every establishment. Im really surprised this keeps getting brought up as this information has always been available.

Re Mr Matrodi: I cant comment here as i dont know the man. In fact, i never see him at the mosque! Ive heard things but Im not into repeating. It would sadden me if what you say is the truth. I wouldn't paint everyone that works at the mosque with the one brush though. Some really helpful and lovely brothers work there. If Mr Matrodi uses foul means to obstruct someone and they have proof, they should approach him and a strong manner as this is snake in the grass activity.

Before you give the contract of the kitchen you must see the bacground of the party. wheather there record are clean or not they are also famous for so many frauds inthe past. are they repent or not? if they repent why then they use the mosque name in the pub.

be realistic. You can only take people on face value. Im sure i could find many people to say bad things about you as well as good. That is life.

I would suggest that the kitchen has acted irresponsibly and as such should change its name so as not to have any affiliation with the Mosque.

Brothers:
Community screamed at Matodi not to sack the Imam but he didn't listen, but rather he caused him many difficulties, please don't forget that their demands were not heard.

Matrodi is lazy, he leaves the mosque to people who disagree whith salafi way, water was leaking since many years from the roof, bathrooms stink, atmosphere is very bad.

The mosque is in need of a friendly kind transarent director who dedicate himsef for the mosque and the community not to make businesses and buy flats & takeaways.

Regarding the opening of mosque kitchen inside night club it had been openned for two years's festival season infront of the mosque, and no measures were taken against those who did it as some other brother stated above.

Authentic Hadith narrated by Bukhari and Muslim
“The Muslim is the one who Muslims are secured from the harm of his tongue and the harm of his hand”

I would like to raise an Issue regarding the previous Imam at Central Mosque which the mosque management should comment on and provide evidence to support their claims about him:

When the last Imam raised concerns about the issues taking place at the mosque the following took place:

The management conspired against him and stopped his Visa sponsorship, he had to find another sponsor to sponsor him and had to leave his home with his family because he could not pay his rent.

His pay was cut straight away and he was not paid 1 year’s wages.

His clothes were not returned to him that he asked for in his room at the mosque.

He was threatened physically.

Why was the feedback of the community not taken when over 500 people signed a petition to keep him at the mosque ?

This caused the Imam a great deal of personal and financial hardship and he was a family man with 3 young children so why was this harsh action taken when the community were very happy with him and wanted him to stay?

We should be ashamed of ourselves as a community to allow this to take place to a pious and respectable man.

Brother If you need a Job the companey should ask you referance Why not for the contract. If you go through the face than they are so pious look like but are they?

Brother Mohammed. Dont question peoples piety. That is not a concern of yours or mine.

Brother Piety is not my concern, what they are doingwith the mosque this is my concern only,

It makes me and allot of people reading this post very sad that we have let the situation spiral out of control for this long. Let’s see some comments on possible solutions and how we can all resolve our differences, work together to improving the structure of this mosque, after all it is a beautiful mosque that clearly needs our help.

I suggest a meeting is made with mr matrodi and concerns are raised. A follow-up meeting should then be made to see if the concerns have been met. If not then you have everything in writing from the minutes of the meeting and you have something to move forward with.

There is a way of doing things. We need to resolve things in a dignified matter. Even if we feel that the person we are dealing with lacks said quality.

may Allah swt guide us and keep the shaytan away from our actions.

Many of us think that the mosque had lost a very valuable Imam who has a great and reliable Islamic knowledge, eloquence and who had dedicated his life on giving valuable knowledge to the local muslim community despite not receiving the salary which is due on him.


the Imam had questioned the corruption that was going on in the mosque so that's why the administration had tried their very best to get rid of him to pursue its corruptive activities.

it really saddens us about the loss of our imam while the administration who is responsible for his leaving and many other annomalies is still there standing firm.

our main concern now is how to transform our beloved mosque to a better one which main concern is to serve Allah's purpose and the muslim community as a whole.

thus, as a concerned muslimah who used to attend the mosque every friday and listen to the beautiful khutbas of the previous imam thinks that the current administration should be investigated and if found guilty, he should be replaced by honest and mosque centred personnels.

كل هذه المشاكل من أجل حرص حمد المطرودي على منصبه.

إذا وجد الضغوط حوله تحول إلى حمل وديع ووعد الناس بتحقيق كل ما يريدون حتى يتمكن من امتصاص نقماتهم وتخديرهم.

فإذا هدأت الجالية عاد لينام مرة أخرى ويتناسى كل مطالبهم.
هذا هو حال حمد المطرودي.

Re: Nathan
of course mr matrodi is also responsible for the shameful misuse of the mosque name in a pub. if someone had rented my car and it's been used to something haram then me as the owner is responsible for taking my car back. how much more about renting the name of Allah's mosque to someone who is using the mosque name to a place where haram acts are being done? since MR MATRODI knows about it then he has the responsiblity of taking the franchise back since he has the power to do so if HE wants to but it seems he is not concerned about doing any action at all.

Re: concerned Muslimah

I agree and disagree. I agree that he is not completely without blame but you rely on other muslim brothers to respect and be mindful of the fact they are using the mosque name. It is my understanding an official letter was sent to the kitchen staff outlining new guidelines for use.

I must also comment on the support for brother Dimishki. I found him to be a lovely man and had the pleasure of quite a few one-to-ones with him. His views on various sects in Islam are quite extreme. He labeled many people kufar and for me was unacceptable. I would have loved him to stay but to label him close to sainthood as many do is an over reaction!!

Throwing accusations is easy, but proving them is not.
We have attended hundreds of lectures of Sheikh Dimichkie, and I personaly have 26 Gigas of his lectures which he gave me 2 monthes ago, I never found in them anything of what you claim brother, he never viewd any sect out of Islam. I too promised him to upload all of his lectures in a separate website.

Could you brother name to me one of the sects that he viewed to be out of Islam?
Thank you.

to bro nathan
shek dimiskie speaks with knowledge and evidence from the qur'an and sunnah. those acts and beliefs of those sects are undoubtedly taking them out of the fold of Islam. as for my humble knowledge, he labeled those sects according to their extreme beliefs and the actions they do and it's the duty of all of us to warn our fellow muslims againts those sects so as not to be deviated from the true sunnah of our beloved prophet.

if one of those sects claim that we are allowed to ask help from the dead people, the qur'an has been changed, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not supposed to be the prophet, cursing and hating the beloved companions of the Prophet (pbuh) like abu bakr, omar and uthman (ra)...etc...isn't these enough evidence to label those ppl as kafir and caused them to be out of Islam?

therefore, i advice you and me should not speak without knowledge. and Islam is not based on our own opinions, it is based mainly on the qur'an and sunnah of our Prophet (pbuh). May Allah guide us always to the straight path and keep us away from those deviant ppl. and May Allah reward our bro dimiskie for his neverending efforts in showing us the truth about islam. amiin...

still for bro nathan
i forgot to mention, i never ever heard anyone labeling shiek dimiskie near to sainthood? he is just a human being and also commit sins and mistakes. we just love the sheik because of the knowledge he has and his works for islam. he's been working for islam most of his life and he deserves our due respect and concern. what about u and me and many of us? did we ever spend even a year for islamic cause? as for myself, i don't think so.

As i said, I thought he was a lovely brother and do also feel sad for him going especially if it was by the foul actions of mr matrodi.

And you are correct, Islam is not based on our opinions or interperations, it is governed by the Quran and Sunnah. I do however hate it when someone labels someone/group kufar as Allah swt knows best. We should concern ourselves with our own souls and understand that we are only answerable for our own actions in front of our maker. Hidaya is from Allah swt and as he gives this gift to us as a birthright we should only pray that misguided souls also rejoice in recieving it some day. When you label someone it is the human condition that they resent it. Resentment in someones heart will not bring them closer to you, rather, it pushes them away.

My reference to sainthood was said in jest hence the exclamation mark. I know br. Dimishki has done much in his life and may Allah swt reward him for his actions.

i've attended hundreds of his lectures and he never labeled anyone as a kafir. have u?

I fear that this thread has turned away from the original topic. What Dimishki's views may or may not be are of no consequence now.

Matroodi being the director of the mosque is responsible
for the actions of the mosque staff and for the actions of
people who run the mosque kitchen. If he was disgusted with
the way the name of the house of god was used he would
have cancelled their lease and handed over running of the
mosque kitchen to someone else.
The same man has taken over the mosque morchary to expand his
kitchen. The mosque now has no adequate facilities to give
gusal to the deceased. It was the same man who was running
a food outlet named the mosque kitchen in a nightclub for
two years running. Furthermore i know that they are running
the kitchen under the banner of an islamic charity which
is clearly not the case. This ammounts to fraud both in
the eyes of the law in this country and in gods eyes. May allah give
they hadayet.

The whole purpose of this blog is to improve the facilities of Central mosque and should not deviate to any actives OUTSIDE the boundaries of central mosque and if comments are made to non related mosque issues that are not relevant to this discussion it will be deleted.

I suggest that Sheikh Dimishki should should be invited to this forum so he can give his testamony regarding Hamad Al-Matroodi, so matters will become clear for the sake of the mosque and the community>

أنا أقترح على إدارة هذا المنتدى أن تدعو الشيخ دمشقية للإدلاء بشهادته حول حمد المطرودي وحول كل هذه الأمور لما في المصلحة العامة للمسجد وللجالية.

And how does Br Dimishki's testamony of MrMatrodi help with the facilities of the mosque? The admin have thankfully stepped in and removed some of the slurs from this forum. It seems very personal with alot of people on here.

I would suggest that alot of the people on here have personal issues with mr matrodi and his actions toward certain people. Instead of being man enough to confront him they would prefer to vent thier frustrations on a web forum. The forum losses credibility when it falls to accusations and slurs. I was disgusted to read Ali Khan's post pre editing. Really, is this the way things have become with us?

What concerns me is the wudu facilities. What can be done to help in this area? Constructive though please...

In the past the management has not openly answered any questions about the facilities, can we invite them to put forward thier comments about the Wudu area, gusul facilities ? these seem to be the main concerns ?

Respected brother Nathan:

If we didn't take the testimony of the Imam who's testimony is better then?
?Are you telling us that Imam's testimony is rejected

Before you claimed that Sheikh Dimishki accuses people with Kufr, casting out of Islam, and today you refuse brother Zakarya's suggestion to let the Imam give his own testimony?

I can smell something here.

Are you telling us that Imam's testimony is doubted?

It seems to me that you have something personal with Sheikh Dimishki, and that you are the right pocket of Mr. Matrodi.

I strongly agree with brother Zakarya's suggestion..
Please if someone could contact Sheikh Dimishki to let us know the truth about what was really happening in the mosque, and how was the treatment of Hamad Al-Matrodi with him.
That would best idea.

الأخ ناثان المحترم:

إذا لم نأخذ بشهادة الإمام فبشهادة من نأخذ؟
هل نفهم من كلامك أن شهادة الإمام مردودة؟
لقد زعمت من قبل أن الشيخ دمشقية يرمي الناس بالكفر ويخرجهم من ملة الإسلام.

واليوم ترفض عرض الأخ زكريا أن يدلي الإمام بشهادته.
أنا أشتم رائحة شيء ما هنا!!!

يبدو أنك الساعد الأيمن للأستاذ حمد المطرودي.
أعندك شك بشهادة الإمام؟

أنا أوافق بشدة على اقتراح الأخ زكريا.
أرجو إن كان أحد الإخوة يستطيع الاتصال بالشيخ دمشقية ليعطينا حقيقة ما كان يجري في المسجد. وكيف كان تعامل حمد المطرودي معه.
هذه فكرة رائعة.

i think the purpose of this blog is to highlight GOOD and bad points regarding the mosque facilities NOT A PLATFORM FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS.

if we list our grievances in a factual way then these can inshallah be put infront of the management so they have an oppertunity to respond

we should try to be the ones with the best of character

A couple of points.

When the wuzu area was reapaired who decided on what should be done?

Also when they put the guhsal area in the car park who made the decision?

These decisions were made without the muslim community(people who regularly vist the mosque) and this is wrong. They should have a sey on these important matters and be able to express their views.

I have heard a rumour that the old mosque is being converted to let out upto 21 rooms. If this is true then i would like to prevent this and ask the muslim community on their views on this.

After studying all the comments on this website the following are my suggestions.

The mosque management should come out openly clean and honestly about the accountability over THE LAST 3 YEARS financialy as well as what they have achieved for Islam.

Also who are the members of the mosque management team and what are their objectives for the next 3 years and how are they going to try to achieve these goals

I would also like the muslim community to come foreword and express their objectives

By law any charitable trust is answerable to the public

re: Omar Haneef's commments:

Do you understand English? I said "How does Br Dimishki's testamony of Mr.Matrodi help with the facilities of the mosque?" In otherwords, is Br dimishki's view of matrodi going to fix the toilets? No, it wont. Read through EVERY one of my relpies to this thread. You will see all i care about is the Mosque, not this person or that. Or what he thinks of him or her. WHO CARES?! I certainly couldn't care less if you went to the office tomorrow and had a fist fight with him. But you wouldn't, because this is what you are good at...typing. Hence you label me. And this is why this thread has become worthless. It is a slandering match.

Re SSP:

I enquired. Mr Matrodi made the sole decision. I agree, completely wrong.

Re Mr I Khan:

The accounts are available at companies house. I have checked:)




Once again brothers and sisters, this is about our mosque's facilities and what we can do to better them.

One of the brothers on this forum says he was disgusted with my comments instead of being disgusted with the people running the mosque. What they are acturally doing is running it into the ground. It was only a few weeks ago that at jumma prayer that matroodi got the acting jumma imam to swear that the toilets were going to be repaired. Over a month on the car park has been automated, for obvious reasons that it generates money and the toilets again neglected. Matroodi put a notice up over 3 months ago now that a new imam would be starting work soon and 3 months on no imam. Some brothers may be new to matroodi and his antics but i am very familiar with them. He swore has sworn on many occasions infromt of many brothers in the past that he would be creating a new morchary , appointing a new imam, resolving issues with past imams, be refurbishing the wadu facilities and many other things but none have materialised to date. He has recently leased the morchary out to the kitchen. What give him the right to lease out a morchary which was paid for by the local community to give gusal to the deceased. Where are we to give gusal to the deceased now. As for confronting him we have done so on may occasions but every time he makes false promises and then goes back on them. My previous post was edited by the people running this site as they probably thought i had personal falling outs with the director and his cronies. Infact i was on very good terms with him and the people running the kitchen up until the imam damishki afair. The lenths they went to destroy his life most people wouldnt to to their enemies let alone muslim brothers. The point of going into detail about these people was so that the people on this site would know exactly what sort of people are running the show. The sad fact is they are looking to make quick money from the mosque and then leave. Leaving the community to pick up the pieces. Its not like this mosque is short of funds either. Brothers dondate generously. I know two brothers personally who paid from their own pocket 25% of the imams salary, thats when we had an imam. Its a disgrace that a mosque of this size should have no imam, the longest period i can remember being 5 years, have next to no wadu facilities and now no morchary. We even went as far as to list all the grevences i have mentioned above along with reinstatement of imam demishki on a petition signed by over 300 brothers after jumma prayer and handed it over to the saudi ambassador. That was about a year ago and nothing has come of it. Over time matroodi has gotten all of the original trustees to resight and now its only him and brother yaseen who are trustees in edinburgh. Yaseen is regulary threatened with being fired if he questions anything. Damishki questioned the running of the mosque, the deteration of the mosque facilities and the accountability of the people running the mosque and matroodi not only sacked him he tried to have him deported from this country and made it almost impossible for him to returno to saudi arabia. But allah being all mercyfull opens doors for people.

SHAME ON YOU MATRODI

YOU SHOULD KNOW YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE:

SELFISH
CRUEL
CARELESS
STEPPING ON PEOPLE & THE MOSQUE TO FULFILL YOUR SELFISHNESS AND SATISFY YOUR EMBISSIONS.

YOU HARMED SHEIKH DIMISHKI AND CAUSED HIM TO BE HOMELESS FOR ONE YEAR, REPORTING HIM TO THE HOME OFFICE, IN THE EMBASSY, AND EVEN CHASED HIM IN SAUDI ARABIA, AND IGNORED 500 VOICES WHO SIGNED FOR HIS STAY IN THE MOSQUE.

WHAT A CRUEL SELFISH PERSON YOU ARE.

BY THE WAY WE SHOULD ALSO INVESTIGATE HIS STAYING ALONE WITH HIS SECRETARY (KHALWA) HE ADDED AROOM IN HIS OFFICE TO BE INSIDE HIS OFFICE WHICH IS AGAINST ISLAMIC TEACHINGS.

KHALWA IS HARAM IN ISLAM.
PEOPLE ADVICED HIM NOT TO DO IT, BUT HE CARES NOT FOR ANY ADVICE.

MATRODI DOES WHAT HE WANTS THAT’S ALL.

THIS MAN MAKES ME VOMIT.

عيب عليك يا مطرودي
يجب أن تعلم أنك:
أناني
قاسي القلب
تدوس بأقدامك على الناس بل وعلى المسجد لتحقيق نزواتك ومصالحك الخاصة ولإشباع أطماعك.

لقد آذيت الداعية دمشقية وعملت على تشريده لفترة سنة. وقدمت فيه تقريرا إلى دائرة الهجرة سعيا منك للتخلص منه. وعممت التقارير عليه في السفارة السعودية بل وفي السعودية. وتجاهلت مطالب خمسمئة مصلي من جماعة المسجد كلهم طالبوا ببقائه في المسجد.

يا لك من قاس أناني.

وبالمناسبة يحب أن يجب أن يخضع حمد المطرودي للمساءلة حول جعله مكتب السكرتيرة داخل مكتبه بما يعتبر بحسب الشريعة الاسلامية خلوة. والخلوة محرمة. وقد نصحه بعض الجماعة بعدم توسعة مكتبه ليضم مكتبها اليه وأنذروه بأن هذه خلوة محرمة ولكنه لا يرد على أحد ولا يقبل النصيحة.

حمد المطرودي يفعل ما يريده فقط ولا يبالي بأحد.
أكاد ـصاب بالغثيان من هذا الرجل.

Assalam Alaikum.

Its been abt 15 years since Matroodi has been in da mosque and since dat time he has nt completed any of the work dat he has promised on a no. of occassions.

I think dat it is abt time dat we got rid of Matroodi da same way he got rid of Sheikh Dimishki and others who were well respected in da community.

May Allah help us in sorting des problems out, give us a place in junnat and save us from da fire of hell in da hereafter.

Assalam Alaikum.

With regards to Suleman's comment I don't think it should be just Matroodi in the firing line alone. It should be the so-called committee.

Its rediculous that these people have been appointed for so long that they do not know how to run a mosque. It should be run according to the quran and sunnah as our beloved Prophet (pbuh) taught us to run it.

the committee do have a lot to answer for

i think it would be beneficial to have a meeting/agm where the committe can introduce themselves and outline roles and responsibilities. (is anyone responsible apart from dr matroodi)

also this will give the committe an opportunity
to answer some of these wild accusations.

any brothers or sisters that want to take a more active role in the running of the mosque can then also put themselves forward as new blood is def required

A message for brother Sheikh Abdur-Rahman and the Edinburgh Muslim Community

Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim

Dear Brothers and Sisters

It is the best thing that has ever happened in the last 10 years i.e. the setting up of a website for Muslims in Edinburgh. I join the rest of the brothers and sisters in congratulating you on your effort.

I was surprised to hear Sheikh Abdur-Rahman delivering the misguided khutba, defending the indefensible, corrupt governance of Central Mosque to a gathering of devoted Muslims. We were all disgusted and disappointed. It was a complete waste of time. The khutba is not for defending or praising individuals or organisations, or for twisting the facts and obscuring the truth. Caliph Umar bin Khattab, radi’allahu an said, “To flatter is to slaughter.” It was an insult to the integrity of the congregation. The khutba is for instruction and for delivering the message of Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala. It is for relating the teachings and sayings of the beloved Prophet, salallahu alayhi wa salam to the Ummah, for following and spreading Islam and for guiding them and uniting them in the cause of Islam. Sheikh Abdur-Rahman broke all the Islamic codes.

Was he doing it as a favour for his master in return for his financial reward? Many people are wondering and asking how much he is being paid by the master for his very minimal service i.e. leading the Maghrib and Isha prayers occasionally and delivering the khutba. We would appreciate it if he would tell us. Umar bin Khattab, radi’allahu an, said , “He who went to kings to seek favours went away from God.”

We think that Sheikh Abdur-Rahman, with or without financial reward, has fallen into the cunning web of deceit, cheating and corruption woven by the master. Umar bin Khattab, radi’allahu an, said, “Do not forget yourself while preaching to others.”

It is the misguided tactics of one man that are highlighted whenever any question is asked. Four or five of his known poodles and cronies, who are said to be financially rewarded from donations, are summoned to go on the offensive on his behalf and to stop people by whatever means possible (i.e. bribing or threatening) from asking fair and genuine questions about the running of the Mosque. This includes questions about the misuse of donations from the congregation, generous contributions from our beloved King and country and large income from the rented facilities of the Mosque without any explanation or consultation.

None of these questions have any connection with our religion of Islam. Umar bin Khattab, radi’allahu an, said, “Without consultation, the Caliphate is unlawful.” Why people are being prevented from asking questions nobody knows. Only one man can answer what he is hiding from the people.

We feel that Sheikh Abdur-Rahman has acted as a poodle and disgraced himself. We sincerely hope that Sheikh Abdur-Rahman will apologise to the congregation in tommorow’s Friday Khutba and admit that he was misguided and that these are fair, legitimate and genuine questions to be answered by a person in detail, and that they have nothing to do with religion and Islam.

Many of us feel uncomfortable about praying behind him. He should gracefully withdraw from leading even two prayers and delivering the khutba and leave it to the Pakistani imam who is already leading all other prayers and who is quite capable of delivering the khutba in Arabic, English, and even in Urdu.

Jazakallah. May Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala, bless all Muslim brothers and sisters.

Masalama.

once again i will urge brothers and sisters to use this blog to highlight issues regarding the mosque with relevent evidence or reasoning

i do not know how "W" knows what is in Sheikh Abdur-Rahmans heart or what his intention was.
Granted the khutba did seem to imply condemnation of this blog but have you actually asked the sheikh?

personal attacks like this are not going to acheive anything and are totally against the spirit of islam.

the questions you ask regarding the mosque are reasonable and important questions that NEED TO BE ANSWERED and we need to FOCUS on these rather than slandering people.

i again advocate a general meeting in the mosque where these questions can be asked and the management have the oppertunity to respond.

i think this is the best way to bring everything into the open and break this atmosphere of mistrust and hostility.

well said jamm
to 'W'

ur comment is misleading. For the sake of clarification, are u talkin about shk abdul rahman dimiski or the current imam shk abdul rahman Al-gamdi the Saudi current Khatib?

In your comments you didn't mention Dimishki's name.
So please make it CLEAR.

In response to jamm's first comment i dont think matrodi is a doctor. when i have spoken to him him he was arogant and did not appear well educated. Also has any one else realised how hard it is to actually find matrodi? whenever you go to his office he is not there. Also i am no sheilh but i dont think it is islamic for him to share his office with janice.

I would also like to comment on the fact that brothers have to pray outside the mosque on fridays as there is simply not enough room inside. I do not see this arrangement working during the scottish winter. Is it not time to extend the Mosque or make space to pray in the building that houses the kitchen.

I know the donation boxes do not appear to make much money but the mosque must generate a fair amount of revenue form lease of the kitchen and from the car park. so requests such as a decent tiolet and ablution area arent unreasonable.

I think i speak for the general muslim community when i say that the situation in the mosque is intolerable and will have to be changerd

ترجمة مشاركة الأخ بن هامو
Translation of M. Benhamou

جوابا على التعليق الأول للمسمى (جام):
حمد المطرودي ليس بدكتور. عندما تكلمت معه وجدته رجلا متكبرا ولم يبدو لي بأنه متعلم أصلا.
وبالمناسبة: هل لاحظتم صعوبة وجود المطرودي وغيابه الكثير عن المكتب؟
كلما ذهبت إلى مكتبه لا تجده هناك.
أنا لست شيخا ولكني لا أعتقد إضافته للسكرتيرة ( جانيس ) في مكتبه أمرا شرعيا.
وأود التعليق على موضوع اضطرار الناس للصلاة خارج المسجد أمرا مقبولا. وقد حان الوقت لتوسيع المسجد واستغلال مبنى المطعم والمواقف لصلاة الجمعة.
لا أعتقد أن التبرعات كافية ولكن على المسجد أن يستعمل مردودات المطعم والمواقف من أجل ذلك لا سيما تأمين حمامات نظيفة وكافية.
باسم الجالية المسلمة أقول بأن الوضع في المسجد لم يعد مطاقا وأنه آن الأوان لعمل تغيير ما في المسجد.

I would like to point out a few things here.

1. This website is NOT owned by the Central Mosque and is just a forum to voice opinions. I believe that you all are wasting your time here voicing your opinons when the Mosque committee will pay no attention to anything that is said or are even aware of its existance.

2. You are going aganist one of Islam most fundemental rules i.e. back biting. How can you as Muslims back bite and openly diss Dr Matrudi online? If you really want things sorted out you should have the guts to approach the committee members face to face by arranging structured meetings and having an agenda to follow.

If you still believe that there is no case forward Goverment authorities both in the UK and Saduia Arabia should be involved.

The Central Mosque is meant to be a central point for all Muslim Brothers and Sisters to come and remember Allah NOT and I repeat NOT to be involved in politics and create ownership of the mosque.

Have the guts and go face the committe memembers rather then abusing online and sinning yourselves.

To answer the last question put forward by someone who should write a proper name - The purpose of this forum is to: Comment on the facilities at Central Mosque Edinburgh

This is what people are doing. If the comments are being listed about and facilities of central mosque then they should be freely allowed to comment on these issues.

People can comment on any mosque in Edinburgh and this web site is an open platform of discussion about improving the facilities of the mosque

Once again we have to put forth this fact:

Hamad Al-Matroodi will welcome people's suggestions, and then throw them behind his back after hypnotizing them with his fox dodging character.

There is no other way but to push him taking his belongings and:

((( LEAVE THE CENTRAL MOSQUE )))

What I heard about this man ( Hamad Al-Matroodi ) that he is a big political intelligence agent (MUKHABARAT). This is the secret behind keeping him in this position, and that is why we see the central mosque had become a central intelligence.

He is not a religious person as we all know him, but rather a secular person who shows no respect to scholars.

He should be questioned about the following:
1. Allowing polish women to clean the mosque while they are drunk and wearing tight & sexy dressing.

2. Allowing his friend who owns PALMIRA)restaurant to shoot many personal movies with the bbc channel in the mosque, subjecting the mosque to be a field for movies and filming & allowing kuffar to go to the places of ablution just to video him as a first Arabian immigrant who came to Edinburgh. We wanna ask Mr. Matroodi this: How much they paid you for the aproval of making this movie in the mosque?

Did the central mosque become Central Matroodi Mosque? Is this the house of God or the house of Matroodi?

3. Why donations go into the hands of Suhaib who use it for the favor (MAB) organization (Muslim Brotherhood) and support tickets for his allies.

4. Why he plaid many games against Imam Sheikh dimishki preventing him from using (Imam's room) simply to provoke him leaving the mosque, giving it to another person while he says to dimishki "why this man is taking you room"? Why this man behaves like a chameleon?

5. Hamad Al-Matroodi had taken room of the Imam from Imam Dimishki while he gave another room to Suhaib who has no official work in the mosque.

Finally I would like to remind Matroodi about the lies he made before the community against Shikh Dimishki, then on the next day the community arranged a surprising meeting between dimashki & Matroodi when they let him meet suddenly with Sheikh Dimishki and suddenly his lies were exposed, the community were laughing at him.

A liar should never be a manager of a mosque. He is in fact a manager of lies, and this is not the first time Hamad Al-Matroodi was caught with lies.

Simply: we appeal to the Saudi authorities to extract him from the the central mosque because a liar can do any thing he desires.

مرة أخرى نضع هذه الحقيقة أمام أعينكم:
سوف يستقبل حمد المطرودي مقترحات الجالية ثم يرمي بها وراء ظهره بعد تنويم الناس مغنطيسيا وتخديرهم بأسلوبه المراوغ كالثعلب تماما.
ولا توجد طريقة أخرى سوى إرغامه على أخذ حقائبه وترك المسجد المركزي.

الذي سمعته عن هذا الرجل ( حمد المطرودي ) أنه عميل أكبر للمخابرات. هذا هو السر وراء التمسك به في هذا المنصب في المسجد. وهذا هو السبب في تحويل المسجد مخابرات مركزي بدلا من المسجد المركزي.

لا يبدو لي أنه رجل متدين بل هو علماني أكثر منه ديني. ولهذا لا نراه يبدي احتراما لأصحاب الدين والعلماء والدعاة.

يجب أن يتعرض المطرودي للمساءلات التالية:
كيف سمحت له نفسه تشغيل البولنديات السكرانات اللابسات للألبسة الجنسية ليدخلن في المسجد وهن بهذه الحالة؟

كيف سمح لصديقه الذي يمتلك مطعم بلميرا مقابل المسجد لتصوير عدة لقطات وأفلام له وتعريض المسجد ليكون مسرح واستديو للتصوير السينمائي. وهل يجوز إدخال الكفار نساء ورجالا للتصوير السينمائي بعنوان: أول مهاجر عربي إلى أدنبره!!!

نريد أن نسأل الأستاذ حمد المطرودي: كم دفعوا لك مقابل السماح لهم بتصوير هذا الفيلم داخل حرم المسجد؟
هل صار المسجد هو مسجد المطرودي المركزي؟ وهل هذا بيت الله أم بيت المطرودي؟

لماذا تذهب أموال الصدقات من الصناديق فورا إلى مائدة صهيب الباكستاني المسئول عن تنظيم ماب التابعة لجماعة الاخوان المسلمين ليشتري بها تذاكر إلى أصدقائه ودعاة تنظيمه؟

ألا يكفيه أنه تلقى من الدولة أموالا بما يقرب من مئة ألف دولار لتثيف النشاطات المعادية للإرهاب؟

لماذا يلعب المطرودي ألاعيب وخدعا كثيرة أهمها ضد الشيخ دمشقية حين منعه من حقه في البقاء في الغرفة المخصصة للإمام. فأعطاها لشخص آخر ثم لما سأله دمشقية عن سبب إعطائها لشخص آخر قال له المطرودي: كيف يفعل ذلك وبأي حق؟ بينما في نفس الوقت شدد على الشخص الآخر أن لا يعطي مفتاح الغرفة لدمشقية! لماذا نجد تصرفات التلون عند هذا الرجل بما يشبه تلون جلد الحرباء؟!!!

أخير أود تذكير المطرودي بأكاذيبه التي انكشفت أمام الجالية حين قابلوه في اليوم التالي لأكاذيبه بالشيخ دمشقية وهنا كانت الفضيحة وانكشف المطرودي بالكذب الصراح بماأضحك عليه الجالية وتبين لهم بوضوح أنه كذاب أشر.

بالطبع ليست هذه الكذبة هي الأولى. فقد جربت الجالية معه الكثير من الكذب من قبل.

لا مكان للكذاب لتدبر شئون المسجد لأنه مدبر ممتاز لشئون الكذب والتحايل والمراوغة.
إننا نناشد بكل بساطة السلطات السصعودية بلقع هذا الرجل من المسجد المركزي لأن الكذاب يفعل ما يحلو له.

There is speculation that all the building and maintenance contracts in Central Mosque are being issued to one builder, one company.

If you got work done in your house and it was not good would you call the same person to do it again ?

The normal way would be to ask companies to tender for work and take 3 or 4 quotes and then pick the best one or the best company to do the job.

If only one person or company is doing the work and not to a good standard that means there may be some backhand dealings doing on where money is paid to the person who gives the contract. If this is the case then that means that the whole community is being cheated and money is being stolen from donations as the contracts have been large and in the thousands of pounds, e.g. wadu facilities were so called upgraded last year and thousands were spent, but no one has seen the results ?

It is very easy for the management to disprove this allegation by providing a list of over the last 5 years of companies selected to do building and maintenance work and how much was paid for that work. If they don’t want to list it on this web site they can list it on the notice board for everyone to see. If no list appears or it seems only 1 person or one company is doing all the work and everyone in the community knows works are never completed and done to a very poor standard then corruption and back hand deals should be investigated further.

Like I said this is very easy to prove so lets see how the management respond to this issue ?

ADMIN

My name has nothing to do with this blog. I can leave it as anonymous as I want there are other people who leave their name as w t j s what abt them. And what abt ur name?? Admin that's not a name if u have soo many concernes like I said before have the guts to go and bring these issues up with the committee members face to face do use this blog as voicing ur opinion but mind u the mosque don't own this blog soo won't even pay any what'
so ever attention to what u all r posting.

Formal complaints are better.

As stated earlier back biting in Islam is a sin and half the people here are doing that by dissing matrudi.

For the last persons comment, if you have been reading this web site you can see that many people have comaplianed in the past like you have said BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE !

Well why don't you all gather up and then go see the committee memebers. Schedule a proper meeting, with a set agenda.

O.K why can't this meeting take place in front of the whole community on Friday after Juma prayers with the following agenda:

1.) How the mosque will be open and transparent about there future dealings ?.
2.) How the mosque will be open and transparent about their past dealings ?.
3.) What are the plans for the Wadu area - how long will it take and what will be done?
4.) What are the plans for the Gusul area - how long will it take and what will be done?
5.) Finances - what has been happening with all the money?
6.) Who is in charge of what?
7.) The previous Sheikh's outstanding wages - I'm sure the whole community want his wages to be paid and it is not Islamic to hold back someones due money?
8.) How is the management selected and who appoints them - how does someone get hired and fired - who can make these decisions? How can the community get involved in selecting a suitable and trustworthy management?

If there is anything I have forgotten please feel free to add it. This will be a start to a better future for this mosque.

THE MEETING SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY SO EVERYONE CAN WITNESS IT, UNLIKE WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING BEFORE IN OFFICES BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WHERE NOTHING IS DONE OR FOLLOWED UP AFTERWARDS.

Among the most important things that should be discussed is:

1- Why Matroodi keeps lying? We all know Matroodi is a LIAR, will we trust him after knowing this character in him?
Is it possible to entrust a Liar to manage the house of God?
It may be better for some one like him to find a plumber job but not a director of the House of Allah.

2- Why he is escaping from prayer as many saw him fleeing from the mosque, sitting in the next Café or hiding himself in his office at prayer times?!!!

3- Having always problems with scholars and sheikhs who suffered his brutal behaviour and disrespect such as Sheikh Muhammad Almushawah, Imam Dimishki, Sheikh Muhammad Assaleh, and many many others?!

4- How did he allow his close friend who owns Palmira restaurant to use the mosque to record a silly movie inside it, subjecting the mosque always for his own purposes while he refused to new convert Muslim woman to take a video recording with Christian children whom she brought with her to introduce Islam to them?
I am wondering if this is a contradiction or not!!!
This woman left the mosque crying, and this is what caused Sheikh dimishki to be utterly angry with Matroodi and his secretary.

5- How did he allow his mosque kitchen staff to open a branch of the mosque kitchen inside a pub, entering the name of holy mosque in filthy places such as the pub in front of the mosque for two years?

6- Depriving the Imam from his room, while giving other rooms to those who have no official work in the mosque.

7- Having a secretary (who is the real decision maker in the mosque) alone with him inside his office, and locking the door mostly without giving any consediration to the Law of Islam which prohibits KHALWAH.

8- Allowing drunk non Muslim Polish women to clean the Mosque while they come while they are drunk and they smelled alcohol.

9- Why he is opposed the demand of the community of keeping Sheikh Dimishki as an Imam and kept chasing him with his reports at the home office, and even in Saudi Arabia, having an Imam fluent in English and Islamic knowledge is a great demand for the community, but it seems that Matroodi prefers to keep the mosque without Imam who will disagree with his corruption and expose him.

10- How long will Matroodi fool the community with false promises saying to them: soon a new Imam will come. But no Imam until this moment! What a selfish man Matroodi is, he freezes the need of the community when it collide with his personal favours.

من الأمور التي يجب أن تناقش:
1- لماذا يكذب المطرودي دائما؟ كلنا نعلم أنه كذاب. فهل سوف نثق به بعدما علمنا أن الكذب صفة من صفاته؟
هل يمكن أن نستأمن كذابا على بيت الله؟
من الأفضل لمثل هذا أن يجد له عملا كسباك وليس كمدير لبيت من بيوت الله.

2- لماذا يهرب المطرودي من الصلاة كما رآه العديد من الجماعة جالسا في المقهى المجاور للمسجد أثناء الصلاة أو مختبئا في مكتبه.

3- مشاكله الدائمة مع أئمة المسجد والمشايخ ممن عانوا من غطرسته وسلوكه الوحشي وقلة احترامه لهم كما فعل مع الإمام السابق محمد المشوح والإمام الأخير عبد الرحمن دمشقية والشيخ محمد الصالح ومثلهم كثيرين.

4- كيف سمح لصديقه الخاص الذي يمتلك مطعم بالميرا أن يأتي بطاقم المصورين الانجليز ليصوروا فلما خاصا به، ويجعل المسجد غرضا لأهدافه ومصالحه الخاصة في الوقت الذي منع شابة قد اعتنقت الإسلام من أن تلتقط صورا للمسجد مع أطفال غير مسلمين لتعرفهم على المسجد وعلى الاسلام. مما جعلها تترك المسجد وهي تبكي من سوء معاملتها. أليس هذا تناقض؟ إن هذا ما أغضب الشيخ دمشقية كثيرا من المطرودي ومن مساعدته.
(تعليق من المترجم: لو كان عند هذه المرأة ما يملأ بطن المطرودي لرحب بها لتصوير ما تشاء).

5- كيف سمح المطرودي للعاملين في مطعم المسجد أن يفتحوا فرعا للمطعم في ملهى ليلي باسم باسم (مطعم المسجد) ويدخلوا هذا الاسم المقدس في مكان قذر وفي مكان قريب جدا للمسجد بل أمامه؟

6- حرمان الإمام من غرفته المخصصة للإمام، مع أنه يمنح آخرين غرفا خاصة بهم في المسجد من غير أن تكون لهم أي صفة رسمية للعمل في المسجد.
7- كيف شرع لنفسه أن يحول مكان السكرتيره من خارج مكتبه إلى داخل مكتبه وفي العديد من الأحيان يكون الباب مقفلا. أليست هذه خلوة والخلوة محرمة في الإسلام لكن المطرودي لا يبالي بهذه المخالفة الشرعية. وجدير بالذكر أن السكرتيره هي التي تتخذ القرارات من خلال المطرودي.
8- كيف سمح المطرودي للنساء البولنديات شبه المتعريات أن يدخلن المسجد للتنظيف وهن في حالة سكر وجماعة المسجد يشتكون من امتلاء المسجد برائحة الكحول الخارج من أفواههن.

9- لماذا يصر المطرودي على مخالفة مطالب الجماعة في بقاء الشيخ دمشقية كإمام بل وقد بقي يطارده حتى في دائرة الهجرة والجوازات في بريطانيا بل وحتى في السعودية ويكتب ضده التقارير؟
إن وجود إمام يتقن العربية وعلوم الشريعة هو مطلب كبير للجالية المسلمة في أدنبره. ولكن يبدو لي أن المطرودي يفضل إبقاء المسجد بدون إمام يمكن أن يعترض على فساد الإدارة ويفضح المطرودي.

10- إلى متى يبقى المطرودي يخدع الجالية بوعوده الكاذبة ويقول لهم: ترقبوا قريبا جدا قدوم إمام، مع أننا لم نر هذا الإمام حتى هذه اللحظة.
كم هو أناني هذا المطرودي. إنه يجمد كل مصالح الجالية إذا ارتطمت وتعارضت مع مصالحه وأهدافه الخاصة.

IS THIS KING FAHAD MOSQUE OR HAMAD MATROODI MOSQUE?

This man is behaving as if he is the king of the mosque!!!

هل هذا مسجد الملك فهد أم مسجد الملك حمد المطرودي؟

هذا الرجل يتصرف وكأنه هو الملك للمسجد!!!

لقد صار حمد المطرودي كابوسا للمسجد المركزي في أدنبره وآن الأوان للمناداة بتخليص المسجد منه ومن شرذمته.
وكثير من أبناء الجالية من ترك الصلاة في المسجد بسببه هو وزبانيته. واكتفى الآخرون بالصلاة والخروج مباشرة بعدها مباشرة لما يرون من الجو الكئيب الذي خيم عليه هذا النمط الجاسوسي الذي فرضه حمد المطرودي.

Translating the last comment:

" Hamad Al-Matroodi became a night-mare to the mosque, and it is time to kick him and his fanatic group out from the mosque with his little group.
Too many people of the community had left the prayer in the mosque because of him and corrupted evil group.

Many others decided to pray only and then to leave the mosque because of saddening and glooming atmosphere and the spying pattern which Hamad A-Maroodi had ordered.

I would like to translate the comment of Abdul Aziz who is expected to be Matroodi's comment, and it was dated as 04/06/09 @ 19:50

Then I will translate Zakarya's comment who refuted him.

السعودية رعاها الله مستمرة في مسيرتها المباركة في انشاء وتعمير المساجد في ارجاء المعمورة وهي تسعى بكل ما اوتيت من جهد وقدرة في ايصال رسالة الاسلام الى الاخرين بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة واتباع منهج رسول السلام صلى الله عليه وسلم .من هنا كان التنبيه على ان النصيحة في الاسلام ليست انتقاما شخصيا او سبا او شتما فما كان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم بالسباب ولا اللعان ولا الفاحش البذيءبل كان يقابل الاساءة بالاحسان اتباعا للمنهج الرباني (ولا تستوي الحسنة ولا السيئة ادفع بالتي هي احسن فالذي بينك وبينه عدواة كأنه ولي حميم)وقد قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم عندما وصفت عائشة رضي الله عنها اخرى بانها قصيرة تقليلا من شأنها قال (لقد قلت كلمة لو مزجت بماء البحر لمزجته ) ان النصيحة ليست تجريحا او سبا او شتما او قذفا او لعانا او تشهيرا او وصفا بذيئا. ان الاسلام جاء ليذهب الحرج من الصدور والغل من النفوس والحسد من القلوب والبغض والمقت من الافئدة ففرق بين النصيحة والفضيحة وبين التنبيه للخطأ والسباب والشتم والقذف.لقد صح الخبر عن رسول البشر صلى الله عليه وسلم (ليس المسلم بالطعان ولا اللعان والفاحش البذئ) منبها الى ان المسلم الحق من سلم المسلمون من لسانه ويده. إن الخطأ وارد وهو سمة من سمات البشر وصفة من صفات الانسانية (كل ابن آدم خطآء وخير الخطآئين التوابون)ووجود الخطأ ان وجد لا يعني التجني والتهجم بالتجريح .فماكان هذا من صفات الرسل صلوات الله وسلامهم عليه .من هنا تجدر الاشارة الى ان الاسلام جاء حاثا المسلمين على الرفق فيما بينهم والتعاطف والتكاتف فالمسلم للمسلم كالبنيان المرصوص يشد بعضه بعضا فلا يخذله ولا يظلمه ولا يسبه ولا يشتمه بل حقه عليه احترامه وحفظ عهده ونصرته ومواساته بدلا من الاساءة اليه.فنصيحة للقائم على هذا الموقع وتذكيرا له بالله والاخرة ان يسلك الطريق القويم في النصيحة وينهج منهج الانبياء والاتقياءوالاصفياء الذين رضي الله عنهم ورضوا عنه وان يعيد النظر في عمله من خلال عرضه على اداب الشريعة الغراء والحنيفية السمحاء. رحمني الله واياك واراني واياك طريق الحق المبين والسبيل القويم
وصلى الله وسلم على نبينا محمد وعلى الله آله وصحبه اجمعين
04/06/09 @ 19:50

We thank the government of the custodian of the two holy mosques for the great efforts and support they give, and for all their projects of good working in all of the world, and here I must remind all that the kingdom of Saudi Arabia ( may Allah protect it) is taking its continuous & blessed policy in constructing mosques in all of the world, and exerting of efforts to convey the message of Islam to others by wisdom and best approach, following the way of the prophet peace be with him (Comment from the translator: watch how he began praising people before even addressing people with salamualaikum or even saying Bismillah).
From that point it should be pointed out that giving advice in Islam is not a matter of personal retaliation, or slandering or abusing, as the prophet himself was not a cursing one or swearer. But he was returning the evil with good, just as Allah said " And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend".
Furthermore, when Aishah belittled another woman rebuking her with her shortness, the prophet said to her ""You have indeed uttered a word which would pollute the sea if it were mixed in it".
Therefore, giving advice shouldn't become a matter of abusing or cursing.
Islam was issued to remove all resentment and hatred from hearts and souls of people. We should differentiate between advice and slandering.
It was authentically reported that the prophet of Allah said, ""A true believer is not involved in taunting, or frequently cursing (others) or in indecency or abusing". He meant to teach us by this that a true Muslim is one whom Muslims are saved from the harm of his tongue and hand.
To fall in mistakes, is one of people's natures, as we were told that "all sons of Adam are mistaking, but the best among those who sin are those who repent".
So, catching someone with mistakes doesn't justify abusing him or attacking him. This is not the character of the prophets.
It should then be noteworthy that Islam ordains us to be forbearing, supportive and merciful toward one another.
The Muslim to the Muslim is as the one structure, each part is stretched to the other, and should never oppress him nor abuse him, but his right due on him is to show him respect and support.

Here I advice the admin of this webpage to fear Allah and the Hereafter, and to follow the straight way of prophets and those God-fearing ones, may Allah be pleased with them, regarding the advice given, and to reconsider his work by exploring it to the manners of our venerable & straight Shari-ah.
May Allah grant me & you mercy, and may He show us the true, clear and straight path.
May Allah's Salah be on His Prophet Muhammad, his family and all of his companions.

Zakarya's refutation of Abdul Aziz's comment
نشكر حكومة خادم الحرمين الشريفين على ماتوليه من دعم ومساندة للمشاريع الخيرية في جميع بقاع العالم ويجب ان اذكر الجميع ان المملكة العربية
الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله
أما بعد:
فإن الموقع قد أسس لفتح المجال للجالية المسلمة في أدنبرة للتعبير عن شجونها وحاجتها. ولإسماع صوتها الذي عمدت إدارة المسجد على كتمانه.
والجالية تشكو من إهمال إدارة المسجد لحقوقها ومطالبها ولا تسمح الإدارة بأي شكل من أشكال التعبير ويتميز مدير المسجد بالمركزية المطلقة والتخلص ممن يظن فيهم المنافسة على المنصب.
فقد أوصلوا شكاويهم إلى السفارة السعودية وناشدوا سعادة السفير أن يستمع إلى شكواهم فلم يسمعوا منه شيئا.
وأوصلوا شكواهم إلى مدير الرابطة فلم يصلهم منه أي جواب.
وأوصلوا شكواهم إلى وزير الشئون الاسلامية في المملكة العربية السعودية فلم يصلهم منه أي جواب. وكان أملهم أن ترسل الرابطة أو الوزارة أو السفارة من يسمع منهم بما يمكن أن ينهي هذا الاشكال الذي لم تزل الجالية تعاني منه منذ سنوات.
فلم يبق للجالية بعد تجاهل حقوقهم إلا أن يعبروا عن حقوقهم واعتراضهم على وجود أمثال هذا المدير إلا الانترنت.
وكون مدير المسجد يتهرب من الصلاة ويشهد عليه العديد من الناس أمر لا يحتاج معه الى مجرد نصيحة بل المبادرة بالمطالبة بإقصائه لأن مثل هذا العمل يتعارض أصلا مع أقل الشروط المطلوبة ممن نصب نفسه ليكون قائما على إدارة المسجد.
وقد نصحوه مرارا أن لا يأذن بدخول السافرات الكاشفات عن أفخاذهن إلى المسجد فلم يستجب لمطلبهم.
وهو يسمح لبعض الحزبيين من الاستحواذ على المسجد والطعن في مشايخ المملكة والتحذير من النهج السلفي.
وقد أيضا نصحوه ان لا يسمح بدخول البولنديات إلى المسجد لا سيما وهن بحالة السكر فلم يستجب لمطلبهم.
والجالية تعلم تماما أنه لا يستجيب لأي مطلب أبدا، وقد يئس من مناصحته.
فلما انفتح لها باب من التعبير عن سخطهم على هذا المدير إذا بصاحب المقال يحول هذا التعبير إلى شتم وسباب بل أعطاه صورة الاعتراض على حكومة المملكة.
لا سيما أنه ابتدأ كلامه بالثناء على حكومة المملكة العربية السعودية على ما توليه من خدمات للاسلام والمسلمين. وكأنه يفهمنا أن من يعترض على مدير المسجد فسوف يعتبر معترضا على المملكة. وهو تمويه وتلبيس باطل.
فإن الجالية في أدنبرة تفخر بالمملكة وأمرائها وعلمائها، وتشهد بسخاء يد المملكة وتدين بعقيدتها. ولكنها ترضى بوجود أمثال هذا المدير الذي أسهم بشكل كبير جدا في تشويه سمعتها بسلوكياته ومركزيته.
بل هو الذي يستهتر بعلمائها أمثال الشيخ الداعية العلامة الشيخ محمد الصالح المدرس في السعودية والذي أقسم أن لا يدخل أدنبرة ما دام حمد المطرودي فيها.
فالجالية مع مدير المسجد أمام تعاني من أمرين أحلاهما مر:
إذا قدموا له مطالبهم تجاهلها.
وإذا اضطروا لإعلان شكاويهم على الانترنت هدد ولوح بأن هذا الاعتراض يعتبر نقدا للملكة وطعنا فيها وتجاهلا لما تقدمه من دعم للاسلام والمسلمين.
هذه الشكاية ليست سبا ولا شتما كما حاول المعترض إيهامه للناس. ولا وقوفا ضد المملكة التي نشهد بدعمها الكبير لكل عمل خيري.
05/06/09 @ 23:54

I praise Allah and ask Him to grant His salah on His prophet.
I think that this webpage was founded to give the chance to the community in Edinburgh expressing their needs and concerns, helping their voice to be heard which admininstrator of central mosque was so keen to muzzle and suppress.

The community suffers the ignoring by the administration of their rights, allowing not any form of expression.
Mr Hamad Al-Matroodi type of a management is a central type action, and he kicks out any one who may be competitor to his position.

The community cried to the embassy, appealed his Saudi excellence to listen to their complains, but received no reply from him.
They called Director of Muslim World League, but receiving nothing from him.
They even called minister of Islamic affairs of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia but receiving nothing.

The community had one hope, that Rabitah, or the Embassy, or ministry of Islamic affairs send to Edinburgh who may listen to their demands which will end the suffer which the community was suffering many years ago.
At last, nothing left with the community except through the use of the internet.

When people witness Al-Matroodi's fleeing from the mosque on the same time of the prayer then no advice to be given to him but to be removed, such shameful act which is inconsistent with the least conditions due on any one who covetously seek to make himself a leader of the mosque.


The community advised repeatedly Al-Matroodi not to allow almost naked tourist women entering the mosque while their thighs and parts of their boobs are shown, but he didn't respond those demands.

He allows those sectarianists known as (MAB) to control the mosque, behind his sick person, slandering scholars of Saudi Arabia and warning new convert women from covering their faces.

They also advised him not to allow those drunkards & almost naked polish women entering the mosque, especially many times those women were caught drunk, but didn't care for their demands.
The community had already despaired from his response to their advice.

But when a door was opened eventually to let the community expresses their demands, suddenly we found someone considering this expression to be a matter of slandering an objection against the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and considering it in a very misleading way a cursing & slandering.

Ironically, he started his comment by praising the kingdom of Saudi Arabia for it's big care for serving Islam & Muslims, as if he wants us to believe that who ever objects against him will be taken as an opponent to the Saudi authorities.
This is deluding and deception.

The community of Edinburgh , in fact is so proud with the kingdom, leaders and people, it gives the testimony of the generosity and following its doctrine.
But the community doesn't will never the remaining of this Al-Matoodi within the community who deformed the reputation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with his self way of management.
Al-Matroodi deals disrespectfully with scholars such as Sheikh Muhammad Assalih the teacher in KSA who swore never to enter Edinburgh as long as this Matroodi lives therein.

Finally, the community with this director of the mosque is between two bitter problems:
1. If they presented to him their demands he surely ignores them.
2. if they became obliged to declare their demands on the internet he threatens them and accuses them to be opponent to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and disregarding its services to Islam & Muslims. .

let all know that this complain is neither cursing, abusing, nor standing against the kingdom of Saudi Arabia as Mr. (Abdul Aziz) claimed in his deceptive comment.

I would like to rase this important question:

HOW CAN WE ENTRUST HAMAD AL-MATROODI WITH THE DONATIONS HE COLLECT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

Sheikh dimishki witnessed that he lied to him regarding donations, claiming the donations are in his office while Sheikh dimishkie so them next day in the hands of Suheib.

If Matroodi was plead liar as the Imam dimishki witnessed, then there is no point of sitting on a table of negotiation with him since we know for sure that he is a liar!!!.

Let the kingdom cargo him in a box to the desert and send to us some one who is truthful.

The donation of the mosque are in danger of being handed over to MAB's chief in Edinburgh, I mean Suheib Saeed who is a fanatic leader of Muslim brotherhood cult, and whose father was kicked out from a mosque in Glasgow because of his cultist behavior.

كيف يمكننا أن نأتمن حمد المطرودي على صناديق الصدقات؟
لقد شهد الشيخ دمشقية بأنه قد كذب عليه بشأن التبرعات. عندما اعترض الشيخ دمشقية على أخذ صهيب وجماعته أموال التبرعات بادره المطرودي إلى القول بأن أموال الصدقات قد تم جمعها وهي الآن في مكتبه.
وإذا بالشيخ دمشقية يفاجأ في اليوم التالي بأنه قد وجد الأموال بيد صهيب وليس في مكتب المطرودي كما ادعى كذبا وزورا.

إذا كان الإمام دمشقية يشهد بكذب المطرودي وأذا كانت الجالية قد عرفت المطرودي بالكذب. فما فائدة وجدوى التباجث معه ما دام قد صار معروفا بالكذب الصريح.
على المملكة أن تشحنه في صندوق وترسله إلى الصحراء. ثم ترسل إلى الجالية بديلا عنه ممن يكون معروفا بالصدق.

أموال الصدقات في خطر.
أموال الصدقات في خطر تداولها بأيدي منظمة ماب الاخوانية التي يرأسها صهيب سعيد والذي تم طرد والده من أحد المساجد في غلاسكو بسبب التشويش والفتن التي تسبب بها.

Shame on you MATROODI we will never put even a pound in the boxes of donation from now on.

I warn the community in Edinbugh from putting any money in the boxes as long as this liar - runner from prayer is supervising this mosque.

عــــار عـــلـــيـــك يـــا مـــطـــرودي
عار عليك يا مطرودي

لن نقوم بعد اليوم بوضع شيء في صناديق التبراعات ولا حتى جنيها واحدا من الآن فصاعدا.

إنني أحذر الجالية المسلمة في أدنبره:

لا تضعوا شيئا في صناديق التبرعات ما دام هذا الكذاب الهارب من الصلوات يقوم على إدارة هذا المسجد.

I disagree with brother Abdul Aziz's comment.
He was talking about cursing slandering abusing...ETC.

His comment made me think for the first moment that some one was cursing or slandering in this forumhim.

But after reading all comments I didn't find any of what he claimed.

I believe that as long as people express their opinions with manners + respect no one should intimidate them or push them to stop or feel guilty with their opinions.

So please let people express their suggestions + express their concerns, and keep this forum away from your governments and politics.

Today the BBC revealed its expenses and the MPs in the UK government have also revealed their expenses.

It is only fair to ask Central mosque to do the same, it is getting donations from hard working Muslims with little money who put whatever they have in donation boxes so they should know how there money is being spent.

Please brothers push the mosque for this it is very important that the money issues are in the open! I’m sure the Saudi funding also want to know what is happening with any money they send.

Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying that Allah said to him:
“Spend, I will bestow upon you.” And the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: The right hand of Allah is full and spending (the riches) liberally during day and night will not diminish (the resources of Allah). Don’t you see what (an enormous amount of resources) He has spent since He created the heaven and the earth, and what is in His right hand has not decreased? His Throne is upon the water. And in His other hand is death, and He elevates and degrades (whom He likes).
{Book 005, Chapter 11, Number 2179: Sahih Muslim}

If the mosque have money in the bank why don’t they spend it on the facilities and improve there facilities instead of earning Riba

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Baqarah 275-281
275. Those who eat Ribâ (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitân (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: "Trading is only like Ribâ (usury)," whereas Allâh has permitted trading and forbidden Ribâ (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Ribâ (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allâh (to judge); but whoever returns [to Ribâ (usury)], such are the dwellers of the Fire - they will abide therein.

That was Sheik Dimishki's disagreement with administration as he told me, " Matroodi gave Suhaib & Janis full authorization to collect it and use it for their sectarian purposes (MAB), using it to for buying tickets who travel from place to another just to remind Muslims that Kuffar are our brothers in humanity" said Sheik Dimishki.

Imam Dimishki's was outraged because the donation was used not for the same purpose it was put in the boxes.
Matroodi was striving to get rid of him and asked the intelligence to make sure he stays in Saudi and not to stay in UK at all, but he failed.

Also Hamad lied to Sheik Dimishki from the beginning when he promised to apply for him working as Imam through Muslim world league, but he made no application yet claimed many times he did, but declined to give reference number or date for his alleged application.

Sheik Dimishki waited for 6 months, finally he decided to apply by himself, and then he got the response from Muslim world league on the next day.

Sheik Dimishki's was deprived from his salary, his clothes, and even his P45 paper which is officially his right which Matroodi refused to give.

This simply happened because of those who play the essential role behind the curtains: Suhaib, Janice the secretary of Matroodi who were caught warning people from Salafi way.

Suhaib is a man of hatred who control Matroodi but can not give any talk or lead prayer in the mosque because he knows people don't like, besides he has nothing to give, but hates those to give.

Suhaib wishes to (Akhwanize) people, and make them Qaradawi blind followers, but they would never like his way, but prefer the salafi way he hates.

This is a disastress situation that worsened the atmosphere in the mosque.

All of this happens while the Saudi authorities know nothing about it.
Nice and deceiving reports are cleverly designed and sent to Muslim world league and Ministry of Islamic affairs, giving reassurance that every thing is fine in the mosque, and Matroodi and his team are running the mosque in the best way.

Saudi Arabian leaders should do something against those who fight the Salafi Da3wah in the mosque that was founded and still supported by salafi money.
But those behind a curtain named as Matroodi are trying to push their Ikhwani way.

We ask Sheik Saleh Al-Sheikh to do something against this and stop this ongoing conflict, this is an unbearable situation he must do something to stop the Ikhwani-Qaradawi's influence, which Matroodi sees but allows simply because he is using them for his own favor & position.

Translating Ejaz's comment:

هذا سبب الخلاف بين الشيخ دمشقية وبين الادارة كما أخبرني.
حمد المطرودي قد أعطى صهيب والسكرتيرة جانيس الصلاحيات الكاملة لجمع الأموال والتصرف فيها لما فيه مصلحة الحزب (ماب) وليشتروا بها تذاكر لمن ينتقلون من مكان إلى آخر لتبشير الناس بالأخوة الانسانية.

لقد أثار غضب الشيخ دمشقة كون هذه الأموال تنفق لغير الهدف الذي وضعت في الصناديق لأجله.
لهذا حاول المطرودي التخلص من الشيخ دمشقية وأوعز إلى المخابرات بضرورة عودة دمشقية الى الرياض وأن لا يبقى في بريطانيا لأن بقاءه في بريطانيا يشكل خطرا على منصب المطرودي. ولكنه فشل في تحقيق ذلك.

لقد كذب المطرودي على الشيخ دمشقية منذ البداية حين وعده بأن يرسل طلبا الى الرابطة بتوظيف الشيخ دمشقية كإمام في المسجد وبقي يدعي لفترة ستة أشهر أنه قد فعل ذلك ولكن تبين أنه لم يفعل. وبعدها قام الشيخ دمشقية بتقديم الطلب بنفسه الى الرابطة فتم قبوله في اليوم التالي بناء على طلبه هو.

لقد تم حرمان الشيخ دمشقية من رواتبه بل ومن ثيابه التي رفض المطرودي إعطاءه إياها بل ومن ورقة العمل (بي45) والتي بدونها لا يستطيع الشيخ استئجار منزل ولا تمديد إقامته.

كل هذا يجري من خلال الفريق الذي يلعب الأدوار ويتخذ القرارات من وراء الكواليس: صهيب الباكستاني وجانيس السكرتيرة وغيرهما ممن ضبطوا وهم يحذرون الناس من الدعوة السلفية.

صهيب شخصية معروفة بالكراهية ويتحكم في المطرودي ولكنه يعلم تماما أنه لا يستطيع أن يلقي حتى درسا في المسجد لأن الناس لا يحبونه بل ولأنه ليس عنده شيء يستفيدون منه.
إنه يتمنى أن ينقلب الناس حزبيين لمذهب الإخوان المسلمين ومقلدين للقرضاوي تقليدا أعمى. ولكن الطابع العام لجماعة المسجد هو اتباع الدعوة السلفية التي يكرهها صهيب.
هذا هو الوضع المأسوس الذي لبد الأجواء في المسجد.

وكل هذا يحدث بينما المسؤولون في المملكة العربية السعودية في غفلة عما يجري.
هذا بالطبع بفضل التقارير الزائفة التي ترسل إلى الرابطة ووزارة الشئون الاسلامية والتي تمطئنهم أن كل شيء في المسجد على أتم وأحسن حال.

على المسئولين في المملكة أن يعملوا شيئا ضد هذا الاتجاه الاخواني الذي يحارب الدعوة السلفية ويضغط نحو أخونة الاتجاه داخل المسجد الذي بني ودعم بأموال سلفية.

إننا نطالب الشيخ صالح آل الشيخ أن يفعل شيئا يوقف هذا الاختلاف الذي لم يعد يطاق في المسجد.

oohhh ma god am soo devastated i cant believe micheal jackson is dead i loved him soooooooooooooo! much :(

There is many question to Matroodi And shaikh Abdul Rehman Ghanmdi Because he always trying to protect his actions
1 why he throughout Moroccan Brothers from car park and gave the car park to Algerian Munir. He throughout Three families why? they are paying the rent timely about 1600 pounds every week Now how much is going to mosque account every week.
2 he (Matroodi ) asked the people by notice that they present quot for the kitchen but he gave the kitchen to the Maqbool again and he never answered to the other parties, weather your tender successful or not. This is not a foul play as a Muslim. Is this a Muslim attitude?
3 What about the donation money like Zakah, Sadqtulfitre, sadaqa, is the money distributed with fairly through the Mosque. why this money goes to Molvi Abdul Wahid Toba Take Singh Pakistan Every year Because he is friend Of Shaikh Yasin And Akbar.Why not give to Sheik Hamid he is also doing a very good Medical Dispensary free.or why not make a committee from the community that they can distribute fairly , not only one person who already kicked out from Pol Worth Mosque. And His sons also facing cases of terrorism in Pakistan, Are you promote terrorism ?
I hope you both will give the answer on line. I am also disagree with every one who abuse the Imam or any one but Imam is more respectful than anyone.I hope shaikh Abdul Rehman Ghamdi will answer ?

May Allah guides all of us

The real problem is that we keep complaining here in our english forum while Saudi authorities know nothing about our agony, and unaware about Matroodi's defamation of our beloved kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Community should fax the Minister of Islamic affairs in Saudi Arabia - Ryadh and to the Muslim World League as well as Prince Abdul Aziz the son of king Fahad may Allah grant him mercy.

Her, I will put to you all addresses needed:

Minister of Islamic affairs (Saleh Al-Sheikh):
Fax: 0096614730320
Phone 0096614607942
Operator 0096614730401

General Director of Muslim World League: Dr. Abdullah Al-Turki:
Office in Makkah 0096625600919 Ex 2000
Office of secretary in Makkah
Phone: 0096625601344
Office in Ryadh 0096614806267
Fax 0096614806268

Prince Abdul Aziz through Sheikh sa3d Al-Breik.
Office 0096614182666
Fax 0096612677336
email: sheik.albreik.off@hotmail.com

المشكلة الكبرى أننا لا نزال هنا نعلن الشكاوى باللغة الانجليزية في حين أن المسئولين في المملكة العربية السعودية في غفلة عن معاناتنا. ولا يبدو أنها قد اطلعت على مدى ما وصل إليه تشويه المطرودي لسمعة المملكة الحبيبة.

على الجالية ارسال فاكس إلى وزير الشئون الاسلامية في الرياض وإلى مكتب رابطة العالم الاسلامي ومكتب الامير عبد العزيز بن فهد يرحمه الله.

هنا سوف أضع بعض العناوين التي قد تحتاجون إليها للتبليغ عن الشكاوي.

وزارة الشئون الاسلامية – مكتب الوزير الشيخ صالح آل الشيخ:
فاكس: 0096614730320
هاتف: 0096614607942
سنترال: 0096614730401

مكتب الأمين العام لرابطة العالم الاسلامي الدكتور عبد الله التركي:

المكتب في مكة: 0096625600919 تحويلة رقم 2000
مكتب السكرتير: 0096625601344
مكتب الأمين العام لرابطة العالم الاسلامي الدكتور التركي في الرياض:
هاتف السكرتير 0096614806267
الفاكس 0096614806268

الأمير فهد بن عبد العزيز بواسطة مكتب الشيخ سعد البريك:
رقم المكتب: 0096614182666
رقم الفاكس: 0096612677336
البريد الالكتروني للشيخ سعد البريك:
email: sheik.albreik.off@hotmail.com

Assalam Alaikoum brothers,

The prophet Moses when he went to talk to Faron Allah said to talk to him gently. Should not we use the same principale with a brother muslim- remember Faron was Kafir compared to Martudi who is still our brother in islam. So brother fear Allah and weight your words.

Hatered is not a carachteristic of a muslim. Purify your heart with each other rather than backbiting and slender each other. Who ever happen in our mosque should be between us, do not let people laugh at us! the attidue in this forum does not show neither muslim brothhood nor mercy of muslim toward each other.

I urge my brothers who have problems with Matrudi to go and make his point to him- go and tel him what you think of him but not backbit him.

Finly, I ask alah to give us WISDOM and NOT only knowlege and He knows what is in our heart, He knows whether we are genuine to wards our mosque or we have just a personal matter with matrudi!

Assalam

Asalam Alikoum

Assuming we get rid off Matrudi. Do you think we can improve things in the mosque- you are dreaming! The problem lies in ourself and not in the matrudi.

Let me ask people who are compaling the following questions:

1- Is the matrudi who made the WUDU facility the way it looks now.
2- When you we get into the mosque do you put your shoes in the raks provided?
3- Talking about honesty: if you are an employer, are you paying your emmployee correctly and not below the mnimum wage! OH TEL ME ABOU IT!!
4- Taking about haram: as a bussnessman are you selling pictures of naked woman-either on news paper or in any boxes.
5- Is you shop, house,car or ... a MORGDGE.



6-Do people who are compalining about the loss of Imam DIM were attending regularl his lecturers?

ALLAH NOWS YOUR ANSWERS SO BE HONEST!

SO ask Allah to brithen our vision and to show us our bad deads rather than palying the saint.

Many people in this forum sound not having experience in life-rushing and be emotional are a sign of defeat.

There are ways how to ask for your rights in this country and you will lose these right if you behave like many are suggesting.

Moreover, we lost, Chaik dimaskiya because of some people who thaught they were helping him but in fact they were reposnsible for his departure- if they were wise enough Chik still with us and DO NOT get suprised working well with Matrudi- yes working with Matrudi. Because we lack wisdom and left young people behaving emotionaly the outcome was that the lost our beloved and great Imam Chaikh.

And please brother, people who do not know exactly what happened between the managment and Matrudi is better keep quiet rather spreading infomration that if asked to give a proof the answer wil be `I HAVE HEARD`.

Wa salam

Once again I have to say that I didn't see any slandering or any thing that contradict with the Islamic manners.

Is it against Islam to say that Matroodi was caught with many lies, provoking people against one another and such person is NOT FIT to run a mosque but may be a barber shop will be more fit to him?

This is what he did to Sheikh Dimishki. He deprived Sheikh Dimishki from having the Imam's room, and gave it to some one else telling him not to give the key to Sheikh Dimiski, while he was saying to Sheikh Dimishi: “Why this man is taking your room, by what authority he takes it"? But Sheikh Dimishki discovered his big lie when he let that man meet Matroodi then it was a big scandle when that person (whose name is Muslim) said to Matroodi:
“It was you who ordered me to take the room & never give the key to Sheikh Dimishki".

Then Sheikh Dimishki hated to deal with him and he said to him in front of his face:

Mr. Matroodi: "YOU ARE A LIAR" and I have to say it to you as Bukhari said it against liars who fabricated many lies against the prophet Mohammad (Sallahu Alaihi Wasallam)".

Mr. Anour go & ask Matroodi why did he play these games, setting up Muslims against one another.
Go & ask him why he activates spying instead of activating love for the sake of Allah?

It is better for you to blame Matroodi's behavoiur which deform the mosque's reputation rather than waisting the time here polishing a LIAR on the account of Mosque's reputation.

Now tell me Mr. Anour: Do you allow such liar to marry your daughter?
I am sure you will never accept him, and if some one warned you that he is a liar & not good as a husband to your daughter you will thank him, and will never think it is a slandering.

Are you telling me that your daughter is more important than the mosque?

Didn't you read how he lied to Sheikh Dimishki, claiming that the donation money is in his office while he kept giving it to Suhaib & his Ikhwan group, Allowing Ikhwan to spread their hatred & warnings against Salafi way and its scholars except Dr. Qaradawi, who is really behind troubling the mosque's atmosphere?

Mr. Anour ignored all facts given about Matroodi such as running away from mosque at prayer time, allowing naked Polish women to clean while they’re drunk.

Would you accept such runner from the mosque to be your son in law and a husband to your daughter? Or may be you know he doesn't need your daughter because he married already a Moroccan wife?

Does Mr. Anour advice us to keep a Liar running a mosque despite all of these facts?

Is it slandering to ask for this simple demand?
(((The community need a truthful not a LIAR one))).

Mr. Anour should consider the mosque's reputation to be above all other considerations.

A liar should run a mortgage office or auction centre, not Islamic centre.

I advice Mr. Anour to seek Allah's pleasure in his writings not the pleasure of those who been caught in obvious lies.

We only require Saudi government swapping that Liar with a truthful one.

مرة أخرى أقول بأنني لم أر هنا أي سباب أو شتيمة أو أي شيء يتناقى مع الأخلاق الإسلامية.
هل يتنافى مع الاخلاق الاسلامية أن قنلو بأن المطرودي قد تم ضبط أكاذيب عدة عليه وأنه كان يعمل على التحريش بين المسلمين وأن شخصا مثله ليس من اللائق أن يدير مسجدا وإنما أليق بمثله أن يدير صالونا للحلاقة؟!!!

هذا ما حدث مع الشيخ دمشقية تماما عندما حرمه المطرودي من حقه في الحصول على الغرفة الخاصة بالإمام. وقام بإعطائها إلى شخص آخر (إسمه مسلم). وقال له : " لا تعط مفتاح هذه الغرفة إلى دمشقية ولا إلى أحد أبدا". ثم لما سأل دمشقية المطرودي عن سبب إعطاء الغرفة لشخص آخر قال المطرودي: " لماذا يأخذ هذا الرجل الغرفة؟ وبأي حق يأخذها"؟
ثم كانت الفضيحة بعد ذلك. حين قام الشيخ دمشقية بإحضار الأخ مسلم إلى مكتب المطرودي ليواجهه بالحقيقة فقال له (مسلم): نعم أنت طلبت مني أن أستبقي الغرفة لنفسي ولا أعطيها أحدا أبدا".

حينئذ ازدراه الشيخ دمشقية وكره التعامل معه وقال له وجها لوجه: "أستاذ حمد المطرودي أنت رجل كذاب. وأنا أقولها لك كما قالها البخاري لمن ثبت عليه الكذب على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم".

حضرة السيد أنور:
لماذا لا تذهب وتسأل المطرودي لماذا يلجأ للعب مثل هذه الألاعيب ويحرض بعض الإخوة على بعضهم البعض؟
إذهب واسأله: لماذا يعمل على تنشيط التجسس بينهم بدلا من نشر المحبة في الله

من الأفضل توجيه اللوم الى المطرودي على سلو كياته التي أساءت لسمعة المسجد. بدلا من تضييع وقتك في تلميع شخص على حساب المسجد وسمعته.
أخبرنا الآن: هل ترضى لابنتك كذابا؟
إنني متأكد من أنك لن ترضاه. وإذا حذرك أحد منه ولا يصلح ليكون زوجا لابنتك فسوف تشكره على النصيحة ولن تعتبر ذلك غيبة أبدا.
ولكن هل تقول لنا بأن صيانة ابنتك أهم من صيانة المسجد؟

ألم تقرأ ما صرح به الشيخ دمشقية من أن المطرودي كذب عليه عندما أكد له أن أموال الصدقات عنده في مكتبه وفي اليوم التالي يجدها الشيخ في حوزة صهيب ومجموعته من الاخوان الذين يحذرون من الدعوة السلفية ومن مشايخها باستثناء الدكتور القرضاوي، كل هذا لبد الأجواء وعكر صفو المسجد؟

حضرة السدي أنور لقد تجاهلت كل هذه الحقائق المعطاة عن المطرودي وأنه كان يهرب من المسجد عند إقامة الصلاة ويسمح للكاسيات العاريات البولنديات أن ينظفن المسجد وهن سكرانات.
هل ترضى لابنتك زوجا تعرف عنه هروبه من الصلاة؟
على كل حال لعلك تعلم أنه لن يطلب ابنتك بعد زواجه الثاني من امرأة مغربية.

هل السيد أنور ينصحنا بإبقاء رجل كذاب ليدير المسجد بالرغم من كل هذه الحقائق؟
هل من الغيبة والسباب مجرد مطالبة الحكومة السعودية بحاجة الجالية إلى استبدال الكذاب بآخر صادق؟

يجب على السيد أنور أن يأخذ بعين الاعتبار سمعة المسجد فوق كل الاعتبارات الاخرى.
ربما كان من اللائق بكذاب أن يعمل سمسارا في مكتب عقارات أو مركز للمزاد العلني وليس في مركز اسلامي.

إنني أنصح السيد أنور أن يقصد بكلامه إرضاء الرب سبحانه بدلا من إرضاه من ثبتت عليه الأكايب الواضحة.
كل ما نرجوه من الحكومة السعودية أن تستدبدل هذا الكذاب برجل صادق.

Assalamou Alakoum Brother Ejaz,


First, I am not an advocate for Matrudi nor polishing him- You see you get quickly in unsulting people and this a clear sign of lack of islamic education, manners and lack of patience with people.

My aim in this forum is to put my effort to reconsile between muslims brothers rather than separate them- this is from our islamic teaching- read the verse were Allah order us to reconsilate betwenn your brothers.

You may describe Matrudi by liar or whatever you want, but Alah di not say in the verse when you brother is a liar or leaves the prayer-in fact it is not our duity to chek whether people attend prayers or not; they have their lord- do not to reconsile between them.

If the matrudi is not fit to run the mosque that is fine with me. What I am saying is you should think outside the box!

Do you know what happened to other Imams ove the last 15 years- they have more problems with the community than with Matrudi1 and 2- I hope you hve been here all that time and not like those who came yesterday and start to talk without knowledge.

Do you now that there are problems between the community itself. Arabs, Pakistani, Hindu; everybody think that they can run the moque! After we deal with ourselves than we can deal with who can run the mosque. We should also understad our religon and how the prophet was patient with people who are MONAFIKIN for years just hoping one day they might turn into Islam, why not use ther same thing and go the Matrudi and advise him and show him his mitakes.

Tel me please who do you want the nosque should be run by? who wants to get rid off in the mosque just want to see your view of how te mosque should be run.

Finaly, I have nothing bad in my hreat towards any of my brothers including MATRUDI.

Do you whatever you want to do but take it from me you will do nothing unless you follow the wisdom of the prophet Mohmmed PBUH.

Take care and may Allah give us wisdom.

Firstly: Nothing of what you mentioned was relevant to our topic except a good point you made be giving a good advice about how we should deal with those MUNAFIQEEN.

Secondly: Polishing was clear through the avoiding of all points the community suffer from Matroodi, and through assuring to us that we should despair from seeking any one other than Matroodi..

Thirdly: Focusing on the importance of unity & love...ETC. trying to push your own perspective that we have some thing personal against Matroodi.

Fourthly: Giving no sympathy or consideration to the miserable situation caused by Matroodi.

Lastly: Ordering people to give advice to Matroodi as if they didn't. The fact is that lots of them did, but he didn't change, he is so tricky in making people forgetting their demands.

All the above make me think that polishing had taken place already.

We don’t encourage hatred as you twisted the topic.
We only outline the need of some one who is truthful not a LIAR.
I believe & hope that God created many people other than Matroodi to be fit for this Job, unlike what you message indicated that there is no way for the community but Matroodi.

OK then let me see what you can do!

You will not hear from me anymore so do not bother to answer me.

I believe the suitable person to run the mosque indeed is Matrudi becuase he nows ho to deal with your kind.

Matrudi will stay in chaa Allah and we will support him.

Thank you brother for explaining yourself to us, although it was obvious to me from the first time you wrote.

As for the remaining of Matroodi in the centre this is left to the community to decide, and your dictating will be taken as a challenge to the community.

As for me I ask Allah to set for the centre some one who sacrrifice himself for it & its community and to extract from it one who sacrifaces the centre & the Muslim community for his own selfishness.

Is brother Anouar the official matroodi spokes person and spindoctor

I was surfing in the new Maqbool Cash and Carry near to Central Mosque. I came across to some Islamic books which are for sale in the shop. However by some facts these books have distributed free at Cambridge Central Mosque and these books have posted from a Charity Association of Qatar.

The shop is selling the Books such as "Don't be Sad' The Ideal Muslim" "The Ideal Muslimah" and some other books which have distributed free at Cambridge.

It is not good for any Muslim morale that these books are for sale and by any chance if the charity association finds out then they will stop sending these books to UK. I am wondered that for few people’s mercenary behavior many of the existing Muslim and new convert Muslims brothers and sisters will be affected.
With regards,
Mamun

for your information these books are not free and if they are given out free it is by the people who are giving them off there own back for further clarification these books are from darussalam international and we have invoices to prove this and please know your facts before making any comments.and you are also welcome to come and check for yourself mamun

Brothers,

Again and again!!!! I would like to remind myself and all brothers, for the sake of Allah do not quickly jum and accuse people before you have a prove. Fear Allah and I suggest that brother Mamun go and appologise to mr maqbul in this life before thereafter.

May allah guide us to the right path.

I have personally visited the cash and carry and seen the invoices for the books referred to in Mamun's comment. I find it absolutely appalling that someone could pretend to be upholding muslim values whilst they themselves pay no heed to them.
Our religion teaches the importance of telling the truth, but mamun has made a mockery of that by lying in the name of Islam. Would it not have been far more sensible for him to approach the brothers in the shop and question them? If he was really concerned about the 'effect on muslims' he would have done something when he was in the store. I advise others and myself to take care when writing comments on this site that they speak only of what they know to be facts.
I would also point out to Mamun that further to being contrary to the teachings of our religion, his writings are a source of libel which is a criminal act.

what Mamun said, it is not backbiting not criminal act .But this is fact that books he mentioned is free of cast and he gave the referance every body can check with the charity orgnisatin which is based in Qatar. And one thing Sister Maryam Why not you asked the british Courts about Maqbool's Character. are they also Liar. if you need more proof visit criminal record book uk. i hope you find their this man with out Turbon.

One should not make judgement on others without knowing the full facts.And to Mr Mohammed it sounds as though you have personal issues with Mr Maqbool in which case if you are man enough which you clearly are not you would confront him and resolve these issues face to face may ALLAH give you the shafah to be that person, and one should never look aT ONE'S PAST BUT PRESENT and never make negative comments on others.
People believe it or not people do learn from there actions and move forward but it is people like yourself who call themselves muslims who cannot see past this and deliberatily go out there way to cause conflict for no justifible reason on others.

please could brothers and sisters stick to issues regarding the mosque.

a Brother' i dont have any personnel with MR maqbool As u mentioned. But As a Muslim is it not our duty if we saw somwe thing Munkar we have to remove. We are also helping him because he is ou brother in islam. Addin-o- Naseeha. If he dont like we stop,but we cant stop what is Al munkar.Who is wrong And Who Is wright u are also not Judge. But This is True That they are selling the books which is Free from central Mosque Cmbridge. Best Thing U can phone them and ask them by ur self. May allah Guide all of us.

I have no idea what brother Mohammed was trying to say about Maqbool's character/past, however I do know that the only relevance it has to this discussion is in so far as it proves Mohammed's personal connection to Maqbool.
As far as the issue regarding the books- no one disputes the fact that they are distributed free by certain charities- however these charities purchase large numbers of them and are able to give them away free as part of their work. The same books are distributed perfectly legally by companies such as darussalam international. Here is the link to the page on their website from which these books can be bought:

http://www.darussalam.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=the+ideal+muslim

I fail to see what part of that is difficult for our brother mohammed to understand. I would suggest that any further matters relating to the cash and carry are disscussed within the cash and carry.

Suggestion :- I want to made arequest to the management of the Mosque.there is no seaprate Islamic Education for the New Muslims in the Mosque. I personnelly shy to sit with Women. If it is possible, A seaprate classes for New Muslims that wiil be very good and much appriciated.I hope Mosque Management will take it a matter of urgent.

Salam,

Its a message from a new convert who used to come to the circle for new muslims held at the mosque. He has since stopped attending the circle. When asked, he said that the circle is held in a mixed environment with men and women mingling together. He is not at all comfortable with this and has requested the administration if any thing can be done about this.

Its indeed a shame that a new convert is more concerned about this than the more "seasoned" muslims. How can we give dawah about islam by compromising on the way of Allah and His Prophet (pbuh)?. I will never understand. Hopefully someone will read this and do something about it. May Allah guide us all.

O-Oh!!! It seems we are standing before another scandal here after the scandal of defiling the Mosque's reputation by opening another MOSQUE KITCHEN in a night club.

As far as I know that the Qatari books were sent for free after Sheikh Dimashki ordered them from Qatar during his visit there last year to the Islamic Centre in Doha.
Books had arrived just days after Sheikh Dimashki left the Centre.

He certified to me this fact, and that Central mosque of Edinburgh had no books from Qatar before that.

It seems there is another dirty business had taken place between the administration and people of the kitchen.

The Ministry of Islamic affairs should be told this at least to know the gang working in this centre.
Once again, we can realize Matroodi's gluttony for business.
Before, a mosque kitchen was opened in a night club in the midst of filthy night club, and now, a business is made through books that were supposed to be taking its proper distribution to the non Muslims FOR FREE.

Ironically, kitchen corrupted supervisor claimed that founding a mosque kitchen with the picture of the mosque in the night club was set with the intention of inviting dancers & drunkards to Islam.

Wow, what a fashionable way of giving (Da'wah) which Christian missionaries never thought of!!!
It is a silly justification he needed to give, but wont dare to give when standing before the Lord.

Such people need to know that they are in fact pound worshippers who strive to collect it regardless of how or where to do so.

I am positive that some of Matoodi lawyers will soon cry in this forum and say: please stop backbiting, slandering is prohibited in Islam, and we must follow the model of the prophet!

I wonder why they lie and make money by those books which were sent for free distribution.
Isn't lying, looting such a disgrace that contradicts the prophetic model?

Matroodi is sick and has many health diseases & heart problems, despite that he is panting after money & position, biting the chair of the central mosque, thinking not about the Day of Judgment.

I saw him begging people, trying his best to please them, showing them that he is making changes and that he is a new born Matroodi.
Shouldn't he rather try his best before this forum exposed him?

Sister maryam says you should go and confront maqbool about the books and see what he has to say. If i recall correctly the last time the tenure of the mosque kitchen was up mr maqbool said i will have the legs broken of anybody who puts in a bid for the kitchen against me. When his mosque kitchen was exposed last year him and his side kick akbar again went around telling people that they would have the legs broken of anyone who tried to have it closed down. Just recently maqbools son tried to assualt the assistant imam of the mosque and when brother yamine tried to intervine maqbools sone broke yamins finger. After that maqbool himself tried to assault the assistant imam and the police were called but the assistant imam did not press charges. The above incidents plus the fact maqbool has a criminal violent past would put most people off from confronting them.

I think sister maryam will find that maqbools actions listed above are a source of libel which is a criminal act.

It is very sad to find these kinds of sicknesses in a mosque which was founded to elevate spirituality and urge guidance.

1- Matroodi is a liar cheater, tricky and deceitful, who activates a special Islamic (C.I.D), spreading his spies in the midst of the community.
2- His secretary dominates the administration behind a embroidered curtain called Matroodi.
3- Kitchen people are gangs who have a criminal record, and who trace the pound even if they found it in a night club, and who intimidate people to break their legs.

I wonder: does this help a non Muslim to think about becoming a Muslim?
If I were to point my finger against some one I would point it against Matroodi & say:

It is all Matroodi's sin who allowed it, and who people witnessed that he suffers mental problems, and whose mind functions properly in setting up evil, but malfunctions in doing good.

Since the Arabic meaning of the word (Matrood) means the kicked out: I ask Allah to kick him out and make him MATROOD (kicked) from this centre.

AAmeeeen.

PLEASE STOP THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH NOW AS BEFORE YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO GO AND SEE EVIDENCE THAT THE BOOKS ARE PAID FOR AND WERE NOT FREE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING FREE BOOKS FROM THE MOSQUE PLEASE GO AND TALK TO THEM AND THE PEOPLE IN THE KITCHEN ARE NOT GANGS AND ARE WILLING TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES OPENLY.
PLEASE STOP MAKING FALSE ACCUSATION.
I HAVE ALSO SPOKE MR YAMIN AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE AND PLEASE KNOW YOUR FACTS BY ASKING ALL THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED FIRST TO MAKE A FULL JUDGEMENT ON SOMEONE.

I swear this is the fact.

Sheikh Dimashki had ordered those books for free from Qatar during his visit to the Islamic Centre there called (ALFANAR) centre.
Matroodi paid only for the customs dues, nothing more.

A report will be sent to the authorities in Qatar about this, and no book should be sent for free any more as long as Matroodi administrates the Centre.

This forum exposes the many businesses Matroodi is making through the mosque, yet at the same time he begs the community for donation, claming that the mosque lacks money.

Unfortunately, Suhaib goes with the money which Muslims put in the boxes of donation as Sheikh Dimashki & even brother Yasin (trusty) objected against.
No body could question how Suhaib collects the money and use for other purpose than the purpose of the donator!!!

I strongly advice the Muslims not to put a penny in the boxes until another person rules the Centre.
As for the books he should prove to the community that he bought books from Qatar & paid money for it.
I am positive that he will fail to do so. Because this is another lie he is making if it was him who wrote in the forum under the name (A Brother).
If that was him then this brother is a LIAR brother.

whatever your views are about the Mosque - discuss it with this in mind.


It is of the adab of the high path of Islam to completely abandon and shun guile, deceit, scornfulness, or sarcasm because these are unlawful. Allah Most High says, “O you who believe, let no men scorn other men, for they might well be better than they are. And let no women scorn other women, for they might well be better than they. And do not find fault with one another, or give each other insulting nicknames” (Qur’an 49:11). And Allah Most High says, “Woe to whoever demeans others behind their back or to their face” (Qur’an 104:1). And the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Let there be no harming another, or harming him back. Whoever harms another Allah shall harm, and whoever gives trouble to another Allah shall give trouble to”

salam alaykum everyone,
this is a great idea to have a forum for discussing changes at the mosque.
anyone want to stand up and give their time to do anything rather than just talking?
anyone want to come up with real solutions or plan of actions and carry it out?
I lived in Edinburgh for 4 years and worked with the mosque. from my experience i found people want things to happen and change but when it come down to doing anything you will always only find a very small group of people willing to put in time and effort to do anything.
I suggest before you start attacking other people you should ask yourselves are you doing anything good for the mosque and the muslims in Edinburgh?
It takes so long to do anything at the mosque because there are very few people and so many things that need to be done.
As for the mosque finances I have been told in the past that they dont want to publish or make public their finances and spending because everyone is going to want a say in how the money is spent and this would cause arguements.
If people are so concerned why dont you speak to the director about setting up a small group of trusted representatives from the edinburgh community who is in charge of how the money is spent. These people could be elected if you wanted to go that far.

as for the director himself, he has his faults like the rest of us and he also has a lot of responsibilities. Whenever i have asked him for use of the mosque facillities and he has turned down my request there is usually a good reason and he is happy to share that reason. I think if you have any problem with the way he runs the mosque then maybe you should put your questions to him directly. that way you will have a better understanding for his actions and the way the mosque is run and also have a better idea of what really is possible to change and how to go about it.

as for sheikh Dimishki he was brilliant at giving lectures i agree and in many ways he helped the muslim community in edinburgh. However some of his activities were extremely questionable. The mosque attempted to convey some of these activities to the community but were afraid of backbiting. When some muslims started making accusations about certain members of the mosque they decided to let the truth out about his actions but I dont think many people heard them.
If you want to know why he was asked to leave and what really happened then maybe you should ask the mosque.

when you have spoken to the mosque it would be good to share their answers with the rest of the community, for example on this site.

May Allah guide you to the best solutions and help you improve Edinburgh Central mosque.

I agree completly with you n.salam. I have already mentioned what you have said in my prvious answers but I believe this web site is set to lunch a campaign again Matrudi and therefore anyone who has a different opinion is labeled as a friend of his. You see either you are with them or you are their enemy. I hope this site is for muslim to express their opinion and not as I said to luch a campain against Matrudi.

You will see brother/sister the reply you will get. But do not bother because they will never understand unless they achieve what they want.
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But I have to remind our brother if we want to make change to the mosque we should not play the tough guy and flex our muscles as some of people in the forum are suggesting because if they do we will show our toughness as well. We will writ to the Saudi Arabia and to everybody saying the camapain against Matrudi is personal and nothing else. Unless these people learn how to communicate and be wise then is another story.

RAMADAN IS ON HIS WAY SO IS BETTER TO PURIFY YOUR SAOUL RATHER THAN STARTING YOUR FAST WITH `BALCK HEART`

It's good that we have a place to voice our concerns about any institution that is supposed to serve us as Muslims. As a female, I have been complaining about not only the state of our wudu area (which is probably worse than the brothers) but also the lack of space apportioned to women and children and the lack of facilities for disabled women who cannot climb the steep stairs to the upstairs balcony. I have also had the honour of performing ghusul on deceased people (in the room next to the Mosque Kitchen admist the sacks of rice and frozen peas!). Now it seems we've progressed to porta-cabins! These are clearly not acceptable situations. We as women have every right to be in mosques especially if we are to teach the future generations. Provision for us must be at the very least acceptable. Other points:
Brother Waleed, I don't think I've ever seen a female tourist exposing a thigh - and if I being a female haven't I'm a bit worried where you might have.
Also, another brother said a mosque should only be used for praying; what about the potential for a mosque to act as a hub for extra activities that would enable families, children and non-muslims to learn more about Islam - other than just prayers?
while many on this board agree that this mosque has serious problems, lets not slander anyone.

As we expected brother, no reply as how books being sold while they were set to be free distributed.
Their only word is this "If you have problem come & speak to the administrator".

But all the community experienced lies with the administrator, they all know he is a LIAR, so what is the point of referring us to a LIAR?
Even his closest friends call him A LIAR.

It is so clear that Matoodi's allies have nothing to defend his lies except to quote for us some Ayaat & Hadith which he rather need because of his characters.

This time they are intimidating you brothers to complain you to the Saudi authorities. Saying:

" We will write to the Saudi Arabia and to everybody saying the campaign against Matrudi is personal and nothing else. Unless these people learn how to communicate and be wise then is another story".

For sure when people fail to reason, their only solution is to threaten.

I don't think this can stop you the community from speaking out, but it proves to you & remind you how he was intimidating every one especially the Saudi students to report them if they signed for the favour of Sheikh Dimashki.

In fact many Saudi students received many THREARTS from abroad after Matroodi reported them to the Saudi Embassy because of their support to Sheikh Dimashki; he even called other immigrants and threatened them to report them to the police which may cause their residence not to be extended.

That is why many in the community concluded that Mr. Matroodi is playing a Nazis GESTAPO role in the Islamic centre.
We didn't forget when he sent one of his men who threatened Sheikh Dimashki to beat him up if he doesn't shut up his mouth.

Now he is saying to you: please come and proceed your complaint to Mr. Matroodi,
But after watch not to be targeted or intimidated to be black listed from having a Hajj or Umrah visa, or to face some difficulties with the home office or the police!!!

Any way; we received no answer regrding the Qatari free books how the centre allowed the kitchen to sell them?

Brother Ejaz,

Let me ask you one question and I am sure you will find it out of context.

DO YOU ATTEND YOUR FAJR PRAYER REGULARLY IN THE MOSQUE?

Please be brave and honest to answer?

Matroodi now wants people to address their complaints to him. Thats very honourable of him. Just last year when he sacked imam dimishki brothers wanted to meet with him and were continuously told time and time again by his secretary janice that the sheikh is very busy and does not have time to see them. At the time he made numerous promises with brothers on many occasions that he would meet with them and meet with imam dimishki but these were lies made by him in the mosque. And if anyone here is going to challnge this by saying that he never made these promises i was present on a number of occasions.

Brother n.salam wants people find out why imam dimishki wanted to leave the mosque well ill tell you why. He didnt want to leave he was driven out of the mosque by matroodi and janice. They went aobut spreading malicious lies about the imam which were investigated by some brothers and found to be nothing but lies. He was driven out by the administration becasue he questioned the running of the mosque, the finances of the mosque. Why shouldnt people know how the funds of the mosque are spent especially when most of the money is gathered from the community. The reason brother n.salam gave on behalf of the administration for not disclosing how the administration spents its money is a lame excuse. The only single reason for not disclosing how the money is spent is that the corruption of the administration would be exposed. Oh and by the way the last discussion that some brothers had with him last year regarding this matter ended with matroodi promising to post the mosque accounts on the notice board within 2 weeks, its been over a year now. Brother Nouar says he will show his toughness those who oppose matroodi. I wonder how he plans to do this, by threatening to kill someone, threatening to break their legs, threatening to have someone imprisoned, threatening to have someone deported, or breaking someones fingers all of which they have done in the last year. In retaliation nobody has done anything to matroodi and his cronies so far so ill let you decide who is flexing their muscles.

Brother Anouar asked me if I attend Fajr prayer in the mosque..
The answer is:
Yes Alhamdulillah, I pray fajr every day in the mosque, and never miss it wal-hamdulillah, except very rarely.

But by the way, your question reminded me that your deputy (Matroodi) never attended Fajr prayer.
Sheikh Dimashki's criticism against Matroodi was also because Matroodi never attended Fajr prayer in the mosque for one year except for two days only that is when he feared a secret petition that people are signing against him, and then he had to come to the mosque to keep smelling the events, at that time Sheikh Dimashki went to Cardiff. People laughed at him when they saw him only at these two days.

Other than that Matroodi didn’t bother to pray Fajr. Even during Dhuhur, ASR, Maghrib and time he was seen repeatedly enjoying drinking green Moroccan tea in the neighboring Cafeteria while people are performing the prayer.

Please brother Anouar; go ask Brother Abu Jamil & even Sajjad the current Imam: how many times they saw this corrupted Matroodi impudently sitting in Zakaria's shop while the prayer is still performed in the mosque.

Go ask Martoodi: isn't shameful to do that?
Saudi people are well known in maintaining Jama-ah prayer in the mosque except this selfish corrupted LIAR.

I think once again we can see how many attempts Mr. Anouar tried to defend his deputy Mr. Matroodi, but all those attempts had gone wrong.

As for the secretary of Matroodi, Mrs. Janice, she is the inciter of all problems in the mosque, and the source behind many of Matroodi's decisions, it was obvious when she used her daughter & son in law intimidating & even assaulting every woman who gives her voice in the petition for the favor of Sheikh Dimashki, she was even deleting women's name by force, that is why even women don't like to attend her classes any more after discovering many lies she made against him.

Poor centre, that suffers greediness & selfishness of those people.
Oh Allah we ask you to replace this Matroodi & his secretary with some one who can reform this horrible atmosphere, and gather people on love & brotherhood not to push sectarianism.

Brother Ejaz,

Sorry brother if I have offended you asking about your prayer but at least now I now to howm I am talking too. May allah forgive us and helps us to solve this proble.

Nothin personal Ejaz: Many people are talking about the mosque but when it comes to Prayer which is obligatory we bearly manage to have 6 people for FAJR prayer, then you find thesE people good at talking and critising other.

There is a well nowing saying: Your leader will be according to your standard. If you protect Allah`s duties Alah will send you someone who care about you, if NOT then you get the opposite.

I am aware the imam was asked to leave and I also agree that their reason was weak for not disclosing the finances.
Im sorry that in the past some brothers have been unable to interview the director however from the attitude of some people on here I can see why.
I think a more constructive, profesional, openminded and calm approach is needed.

Brother n.salam thinks we should adopt a more constructive, profesional, openminded and calm approach. Having a petition for the reinstatement of imam demishki signed by over 300 people after jumma prayer by people who used to pray behind imam demishki would seem both constructive and professional to me. Having the views of the entire community completely ignored by the arrogant dictator of the mosque and still not taking the matter further, ie staging a protest out side the mosque or going to the media to expose his corruption seems quite calm to me. I do wonder that me means by openminded thourgh, maybe hes referring to the director having a personal female secretary with whom he shares an office and conducts mettings behind closed doors. That’s open minded to me and a complete violation of Islamic law which prohibits this.

The way jumma prayer was organised by the administration today was disgracefull. They had closed of the lower hall completley along with the library. I had to pray along with alot of other brothers in the corridor outside matroodis office. There was no sound there at all and we could not hear the imams praying or the khutba. All they had to do was fix the sound system, open the library and open the lower hall up. It seems that holding an exhibition is more important than the jumma prayer worshippers. They had put mats outside but what if it was raining and windy, what then. And why when the is a prayer hall downstairs. I have also noticed that people walk about the mosque with their shoes on in the lower hall. The same hall that people then pray in on the same floor. I have never seen such a shambles in any mosque in my life before. I have never seen posters which show peoples faces on them either in prayer halls and never seen prayer halls closed at jumma leading to may people missing their jumma. It seems as though the administration is trying to drive people away from this mosque. There is a saying that if you want to kick somebody out of your house you dont have to push them out, just create such an enviroment that they leave themselves. And that is exactly what the administration is doing here with the state the wadhu facilities are in and the way jumma prayer is organised. The administration is forgetting that the mosque does not belong to them and is not their personal property, its the house of god. If a muslim misses 3 jumma prayers in a row he is no longer regarded as a muslim. That does that make somebody who causes many muslims to miss many jumma prayers.

if you go to the press they will have a field day against the muslims and islam. they would love a story like this.
Do we need anymore bad press?

im a sister and im going to leave you to your antics now.
may Allah guide us all
wa alaykum salam

Shame on Hamid and Janice.
Hamid will allow all women to do everything but keeps his wife locked away.iSLAM ONLY SUITS HIM WHEN HE NEEDS IT
Janice has lost all respect for herself sitting with a man (hAMID) BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL TO A STRAIGHT PATH.

Sister n salam does then agree that her director along with his administration are all corrupt after all why does she think the press would have a field day if there no wrong doings to report.

My oh My. I was wondering when this particular rod was going to strike. A women is having meetings in an enclosed space therefore by definition, she must have a questionable character. Have none of you ever had a meeting with your employer/teacher/tutor in his/her office with the door closed? Does this mean that your characters are questionable and you harbour illicit feelings towards them?
Who's going to be next in this witchhunt? This thread had the potential of behing a vehicle in which people could contribute their thoughts and feelings about the mosque (of which we all know has massive problems) in an constructive and intellectual manner. Instead, this thread is rapidly deteriorating into unsubstantiated backbiting and bitchiness (which I remind you are behaviours which our Phrophet peace be upon him, abhored).
I personally don't have any affiliation with Sr Janice or the directorate of the mosque and know there are massive problems (see my previous message). However there must be a better way to approach and resolve this matter other than unhelpful comments that have been left here. Perhaps going directly to the hand that feeds the mosque - the higher Saudi establishment or even better, the British powers that be who are constantly twittering on about social cohesion and intergration and the role of the mosque in preventing extremism and becoming part of the community fabric. If enough people start making a (consturctive and intellegent) noise, there is no choice but to listen.

Assalam to all broters,

Just to wish you all an excellent month of worship and blessing and may Allah accept out fasting and prayers. AMEEN

Brethrins and Sisterens Peace be on you ALL.....Im very amused on all these comments and complaints,and im also amused by the owner of this website.......PLEASE AKHIS ask me Y?? None of you have any other methods to approach the administration of the central masajid???........Especially the host of this website...who is he to take in complaints or Infleuncing backbitting??? I could understand if the HOST was the COMPLAINTS DEPARTMENT then I 2 would be dropping a few complaints here and there....... but sisterens and brethrins please think before you raise your complaints maybe write some letters, petition?? raise complaints to higher authority?? like some arab brother who had been involved in the construction of the masjid...... 1 last thing to contribute ok our facilties are not the best of condition but atleast we got facilities.....Anyway may ALLAH forgive us ALL and guide us ALL AMEEN

ألا يستحيي حمد المطرودي على نفسه من أن يغلق الأبواب على نفسه ومعه امرأة لا تحل له وهي جانيس؟؟؟

أين زوجته التي يفترض بها أن تغار عليه؟
يا أيها المسئولون في السعودية أترضون بهذا المستهتر بشعائر الإسلام أن يمارس هذا السلوك الشاذ وأن يظهر حقده على الدعاة وطلب العلم ويحرم المسجد منهم ويتخذ لنفسه امرأة يكرهها أكثر جماعة المسجد لأنها متحررة من القيود الشرعية؟؟؟

وتتصرف في المسجد كما يحلو لها من خلال الصنم حمد المطرودي والذي يرضخ لها ويطيعها في كل شاردة وواردة في المسجد وكأنها هي الآمرة الناهية؟؟؟

تلك هي الحقيقة. صهيب وجانيس هما المشكلة الحقيقية وراء هذا الجو المكهرب في المسجد.

صهيب إخواني حزبي متسلط على المسجد ويهمه جدا الاستحواذ على المسجد والتحكم فيه لما فيه مصلحة الاخوان المسلمين.

وجانيس متسلطة ومتحررة من القيود وترفض بشدة أن يطالبها أحد بتغطية رؤوس النساء الكافرات أو أجسادهن وتعتبر ذلك امتهانا لهم بينما لا تبالي بكرامة المسجد.

ولها السيطرة الكبرى على المسجد من خلال الاستاذ ريموت كونترول حمد باشا المطرودي.

هل ترضى زوجة حمد المطرودي بمثل هذا السلوك؟\
أليست من عائلة إسلامية محافظة؟
كيف ترتضي لزوجها ان يخلو بامرأة داخل مكتب مغلق ؟

وأين يحدث هذا؟
في المسجد الاسلامي.
هذا المسجد الذي يحوي العجائب
وما أعجب ما حوى فضيحة افتتاح فرع عن مطعم المسجد في كباريه وملهى ليلي.
ولا تنسوا صورة المسجد داخل الكباريه.
هنيئا لهذا المركز الاسلامي في شخص مديره المتحرر من أواصر الدين

Salams

As usual with the Muslim ummah. WE are all talk and no action. I believe that the issues raised should be addressed after Friday prayers, then it will surely put a focus on the goings on at the Mosque. It is the house of Allah but as worshippers we have a right and duty to ensure it is welcoming, harmonious and unifying place to be and perform worship to the all mighty without ill will or hinderance.

As someone who works in Edinburgh but who lives in the outskirts we all know the Saudis have total control of the Mosque. They as the maintainers of the mosque have a duty as do we to ensure it is well maintained, well managed and suitable for purpose of prayer to the all devine and almighty. This individual to whom you are all referring to must be dealt with by dialogue and consensus not smear campaigns. For if he is doing wrong we all know that Allah (swt) will be his judge.

So come all dear friends let us unite and do rather than talk. Friday prayers is the best time to raise these issues so that the WHOLE muslim community is made well aware of THEIR mosque is being run!

May Allah grant us unity against the wrongdoers.

Many tried but failed.

Matroodi is a tricky swindler.
First Matroodi welcomes every body, then give them promises,
Then, once they feel happy he ignores them as if no meeting had taken place already.

This is the real problem with Mr. Hamad Matroodi.
He is words seller.
The community is fed up with him, and need him to replaced by some one who cares for Islam not for Ikhwan Hizbiyah such as Suhaib the cultest upon whom father was kicked out from the Glasco central mosque because of his Hizbi behavior..

Basic information about the organisation of the masjid is available at the Office of the Scottish Charity Register, http://www.oscr.org.uk/CharityIndexDetails.aspx?id=SC029809
You will see that the reported annual income is about £130,000 per annum, or about £2,600 per week, which is high by the standards of most masjids in the UK. (I estimate that the national average is about £1 per person per week.) You are entitled to demand from the masjid organisation, its certified statement of accounts and its constitution. If they do not provide these, you may report them to the Charity Commissioner. Information on this is provided at the OSCR website above. In my capacity as an advisor to a number of public sector organisations, I have heard some serious concerns about the Potter Row masjid, so I suggest for the sake of the community in Edinburgh, you follow these channels to resolve your problems soon.

salaams
Mehmood

I have just read the biggest llie of the BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8528282.stm

That the mosque kitchen is a chairty organisation run by
volunteers to support charities in Scotland and Pakistan. Yah right that is such a big big lie.... I can't believe they are defaming the mosque by lying just to achieve an award.. Scandlers that they are..

I am really amazed of what I learned from this web site, all these hate rage we carry with us when we go to pray. Why all that, I tried to find something I can say it real or could affect our relation with Allah, but I couldn't. Most of what was written here is personal negative point of view. If we want to pray, Salah (pray) is on time at Edinburgh Central mosque, who wants to pray can pray and ask Allah for the constructive improvement of the mosque and the Muslim community. Who wants to make any thing good for the Muslim community can do, who has a constructive Naseehah (advise) can approach the mosque administration (Brother Yaseen, Yamin, Hamad, Sister Janas, .... etc) and give clearly and loudly. What I have seen is really something negative for the Muslim community in Edinburgh. We are only looking for small negatives, personal maters and make them big instead of trying to correct or at least to something positive, and this is nothing to do with Islam. please lets be real Muslims.

I recently heard that the son of Muslim World League's director (Abdul Rahman Az-Zahed) came to work in Edinburgh with Hamad Matroodi, but could not bear his bloody behavior & had troubles with him, so he left Edinburgh because of him, as usual, Rabitah could not do any thing toward Matroodi who seems to be having (((intelligence))) not religious links.

It is shameful that Rabitah can not do anything against this man. This really gives Rabitah a very shameful reputation for Rabitah as well as Saudi authorities.

No wonder after all that:
Imam Mushawah had to leave Edinburgh.
Imam Muhammad Saleh had to leave too.
Imam Demeshy had to leave

All of them should leave for the favor of this Mukhabarat intelligent Matroodi.

بلغني مؤخرا أن ابن مدير مكتب الرابطة في مكة عبد الرحمن الزاهد قدم إلى أدنبرة ليعمل مع حمد المطرودي، غير أنه لم يستطيع أن يطيق غلظة المطرودي وتصرفه المشين. فقرر أن يترك مدينة أدنبرة.
وكعادة الرابطة: لم تستطع ان تفعل شيئا حيال هذا المطرودي الذي يبدو أن له صلات مخابراتية أعجزت الرابطة أن تفعل أي شيء ضد المطرودي.

أليس هذا حقا ما يسيء إلى سمعة الرابطة بل وإلى سمعة المملكة العربية السعودية؟

لم نعد نعجب:
أن الإمام محمد المشوح قد قرر الرحيل بسبب المطرودي.

وكذلك الإمام محمد الصالح.
وكذلك الإمام دمشقية.

على كل هؤلاء أن يرحلوا إرضاء لنزوات ورغبات صاحب الصلات المخابراتية لا الدينية حمد المطرودي

Scandaling information regarding Imam Mohammed Sajjad Afeen. An Imam at Edinburgh Central Mosque.

He has allowed Bollywood producer to film there and stared in the movie for MONEY!
he should be sacked

Regarding the for the shooting of Mausaum (a bollywood film) taking place in Edinburgh, UK (staring shahid kapoor & sonam)

The producers sheetal talwar & vivek agrawal (seasons of love films ltd)
have trespassed on the muslim cemetry in edinburgh and maliciously vandalised graves. This has happened due to the crew and at the time of filming.

They had no premision from the Edinburgh council 0131 664 4314 and having filmed on the new part where graves are freshly dug.

This has insulted and abused the muslim faith community in Edinburgh as a person who has authority has allowed for this to happen and filmed himself in the moview for MONEY! This is a disgrace

Dear sister M
I read your comments about Imam sajjad that he gave permission to the film crew .As I know him he can't give permission for Azzan in the mosque,how can he give the permission to someone in the symmetry.Before scandalized something against an IMAM we must verify an elegation otherwise this is slandring . I personnly found him dedicated ,honest and well behaved.May Allah guide us all.

Your Brother in Islam

Any allegation should be backed up with proof. The easiest way will be to be given contact of the film makers to verify if any payment was made for filming and who it was made to. If no proof is given then the allegations should be deemed as just hear say and not correct.

I personnly visited cemetery, there is nothing wrong ,everything is ok.I also met with the caretakers,they denied about any thing mistreated in the cemetery,how Imam is responsible ? He never gave the permission,nor he received any Money from them,This is kind of exaggeration of the issue and false story .If you have any proof of Money please bring with proof.Putting an elegation is vary easy. May Allah show us right path.

A Girl call herself sister M. This her dirtymind tailord scandle.May Allah cursed her and her family.why not you use your full name. It's mean you feared and LIAR.I know who you are!

Its lovely how you all back the Imam. This should be the case if the Imam was so good and pure. However in the eyes of Allah, his actions to allow this filming is incorrect and however is the LIAR I hope Allah deals with them in his own way.

I do agree with the muslim graveyard being mistreated with the bollywood film crew filming. To the point it was vandlised. Thats a little bit highlighted. Its common sense 100 hindu film crew in a muslim cemetry will create caos especially since they are there to film. However, its between Allah and the Imam for punishment of no punishment. Who are we to comment on this.


As for a responsible person leading such a role allowing for the crew to film here. I think some investigation should be done from the Edinburgh Central mosques part. This should be put in writting to the mosque and if you have no luck, the Saudi Embassy will be very interested as they fund the mosque. If this has been a genuine mistake the Imam only needs to apologise as we are all humans and make mistakes.

I think everyone is getting a bit too personal in this comment area and should respect peoples concerns. Rather than accusing to say I know who you are. It would be more helpful if you helped clear up there concerns. Can anyone do this. i will be more than happy to know who can do this.

Remeber Allah does not like back bitters, so if you want to say something please let me know to me in person

For all those people who love to protect the mosque good on you.

But for crying out loud why you defending negligent Imams.

Just a little note. This Imam Sajid will be punished for this Inshallah and by people on this world. from Allah he will be punshed with time. Hope his whoever he feeds from the money he got rot in hell

A note for Bilal. Please speak to sister M. You should ask them for proofs

Dear Brothers and Sister
I am really disappointed with this blame game.We all Al hamdulillah Muslims.What Allah's prophet said be honest and kind with each other.and best among with you who control anger.please don't show the kuffar your bad face,show them a good Muslim character. We all living In non Muslim society.This is also reality who dig our graves,obviously,non Muslim and if non Muslims are managing our graves than visiting other non Muslims are also not wrong.Blaming game must be end. We all Muslim brothers and sisters.we should forgive eachother.and use this website for positive work NOT PERSONAL PLEASE.

Childrens Eid Ul Fitr Party
Date: Sunday, 19 September 2010
Time: 13:30 - 15:30
Location: Broxburn Bowling Club
Street: West Burnside Road, EH52 5RG
Town/City: Broxburn, United Kingdom


Description
Come join in the fun! Eid gifts given to all children who attend, food, eid craft tables, songs, games, performances and much more!

There will also be an introduction to Eid Ul Fitr to help educate our children about the reasons for celebrating this blessed festival.

Limited number of tickets available so note your interest ASAP! Tickets will go on sale nearer the time priced at around £10 per child. Under 1's go free but you will still need to contact me for a ticket.

This is a public event so please forward onto any sisters with children under the age of 10.

For further information please contact shakilla18@yahoo.co.uk

As Salaamu alaikum


This is so sad all this backbiting against matroodi and brother Suhaib. This message is for Brother Ejaz and brother Bilal who both seem to enjoy backbiting. Have you no shame? Let me quote what brother Bilal said about sister .M ''May Allah cursed her and her family''. Firstly its Curse not Cursed, secondly who do you think you are hoping for the curse of Allah on her and her family? Do you know how haram it is to Curse another muslim/muslimah. To be honest it shows what little Imaan you have, because any decent muslim would have said 'May Allah guide her and her family' instead you choose to curse her and her family. As for Ejaz subhanAllah You are the 'Backbitting Brother'
All your post have an element of backbiting in them, which shows your character. I suspect due to your hate for the Ikhwaan you must be a wahabi extremist, after all we are all kafirs according to you. As for Suhaib whenever I have had dealings with him i found him to an honest muslim who looks out for the best for his fellow muslim.

Shiekh Dimishqi, I agree was very Charismatic but lets now turn him into something of a hero, lets not forget why he alledgely got thrown out of Al-azhar University.

Anyway brothers and sisters May Allah Guide Us all (yes, even you Bilal)

Listen al_Ikhwan,to be very honestly ask any blind Ikhwani ,your comments are full of backbiting,and against many people.What I want to say about you and your Ikhwani friend,you both Al- Munafiqoon.If you see in quran Surah Al hujurat.You will find your answer.don't compare sheath Damashqi with Al-fasiq Suhaib.Ask him why his father thrown out from Glasgow central Mosque.Don't through the pebbles from the glass house.

As Salaamu alaikum

Barek Allahu feek for calling me a Munafiq maybe I will get ijir for being patient with you, but I forgive you brother I seek Allah's pleasure by forgiving and excusing you. But I must correct you its not ''Don't through pebbles from the glass house'' the saying is ''PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES''. I kindly suggest you read surah al hujurat ayat 12. It describes what you and your wahabi friends are doing. Anyway brother may Allah guide me and you.

U all need Allah to guide you.

If you disagree with the Imam allowing film crews in semetry, why dont you complain? whats the out come of the complaint?

I am disappointed, the Imam would behave in this manner.
I am sure there must be some confusion? Is anyone investigating this complaint?

Imaam Sajjad makes his break into bollywood!

Imaam Sajjad's life long dream has come true following his
latest debut in the new bollywood movie 'Mausam'

Watch your very own local Imaam portray his flowing beard
for the big screen!

Imaam Sajaad... good luck with the bollywood career!!

We understand you came here as an asylum seeker - To
go from asylum seeker in the UK to bollywood stardom is
such an achievement!!

Well done bro... can't wait to see the movie.

Is acting in bollywood movies not against the
teachings and Islamic way of life??

Does this not make this Imam Sajaad a hypocrite??

Should he be allowed to continue as an Imam at the
Edinburgh Central Mosque??

Oh come on Don, stop being a party pooper!

Leave Imaam Saajad alone and let him follow his dream
to star in bollywood movies... it's his choice.

Hey Imam Sajaad, did u get up close to any of the
actresses? u little fox u... I'm beginning to wonder
what is actually going through your mind when you
are leading prayers at the central mosque now.. haa!

U go bro!

Dear Fiq, I am disgusted!

Imaam Sajaad (Mr Sajaad from now on), should not
be allowed to lead prayers at the central mosque any
longer.
I believe there is too much conflict between wanting to
be/starring in bollywood movies such as 'Mausam' and being
an Imaam.

Can a figue of authority please investigate these claims
from the central mosque.

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Waoow, this site is so interesting. I have just discovered the facts of the Mosque leader Imam Sajjad.

I am disappointed, however intreged at the fact why a muslim leader would switch from one career (being a mosque leader) and then by choice go to bollywood filming.

Sajjad you should make a biography, it would definately be the best seller for 2010.
2 brothers imported to UK under asylum rights, one becoming a mosque leader at the Biggest mosque in Edinburgh(sajjad), the other a mosque leader at Polwarth mosque(Edinburgh).
Sajjad has his big break to bollywood acting.

Now are you planning on keeping both careers rolling?
Are you still a Muslim?
When are you hoping to break into Hollywood?
Are you planning to import yourself next to Beverley Hills in 2012. 54th Avenue, you can setup a mosque and have your first break!

Good luck! Everyone should support you, as this is your choice!

I will be reporting fully back to the Home Office for Asylum applicants. Working visas are permitted to allow work only and only in the place they have noted in their applications. If a different work place is registered or reported a full investigation will be undertaken.

Any liars will have lots of fun and games to face from the authorities. We want only genuine asylum or work visas to be issued. Not to fraudulent or money grabbing residents, who are making this muslim community fall to pieces.

Junior Imam prayed for my father last year whilst he was in Marie Curie Cancer. A few days after he passed away this Imam asked frankly for a gift for his 2 day 1 hr visits. A gift in the form of a ticket to perform umrah was advised.

Can someone advise as to if we should have granted this?

We were struggling as my fathers estate was tied up, therefore we offered him a small amount of money which he was not amused with.

Which Imam was this?

The one with the black beard

Superb!! All the above comments I presume this is Imam Sajjid. Hes formally an Imam at the Edinburgh Central Mosque, now taken up bollywood acting in Muslim Cemetrys.

He accepts gifts? Well, that wouldnt suprise me.

You should report this guy.

What is the complaints procedure? Can someone advise
I would only advise not to pray behind this scandalised muslim leader.
The other Imams at the same mosque are very genuine and solely lead lives for Islam. Ask them for advise

Superb!! All the above comments I presume this is Imam Sajjid. Hes formally an Imam at the Edinburgh Central Mosque, now taken up bollywood acting in Muslim Cemetrys.

He accepts gifts? Well, that wouldnt suprise me.

You should report this guy.

What is the complaints procedure? Can someone advise
I would only advise not to pray behind this scandalised muslim leader.
The other Imams at the same mosque are very genuine and solely lead lives for Islam. Ask them for advise.

This youtube link will soon have the filming shot of this Imam. Please return to see this link

Imaam Sajaad of Edinburgh Central Mosque.

Becoming a bollywood actor is beginning to show its strains
on one of the latest bollywood heart throb wanabes - Imaam
Sajaad.
The latest sighting of Imaam Sajaad was when he tried
leading prayers at the central mosque 2 days ago. The
bollywood natural could no longer hold in his excitement
as he burst into a bollywood song amid his recitation.
The disgusted congregation have refused to follow Imaam
Sajaad in further prayers so it looks like the mosque will
have to replace this particular Imaam.

Imaam Sajaad is however still in high spirits, overwhelmed
with excitement with his new found fame, he is putting his
life long dream of bollywood stardom before his
Islamic faith as he continues to defy the critics.

We wish him all the best.

Imaam Sajaad asking for an Umrah ticket in return for
2 hours recitation next to a dying person.

This is absolutely disgusting - It is
nothing short of blackmail of the family's emotions, love
for their dear father (may Allah grant him Jannah), aswell
as emotional blackmail of their faith.

Imaam Sajaad should be disciplined for this by his
employers (Edinburgh Central Mosque) as he is supposed
to be a full time employee.
One wonders if he declares these so called 'gifts' to
the Inland Revenue.

No doubt Allah the All-Seeing will discipline him in the
hereafter if he has conducted himself in such a manner.

Sajjad, the black beard Immam has ask for
police protaction fallowing his rise to bollywood
Starrdom.
Allagedly he crapping his pantie as he walk the street.
Little he know that no-one want even to walk on
same sidde of street as him inkase they catch flies from
his disgussting fake bearddy face. So pleese Sajjad - no
wurry,
no-one want evens to look at you, let alone touches you -
so pleese no getting exciteds. Bloodies attentnsion
seeker vasting police times.
Allah deal with you, NOT peoples.

Dear brother/sister who asked for advice on wether to
grant the black beard Imam (Sajaad) with an umrah ticket
in return for 2 hrs recitation for your father.

My advice would be to refuse. There is no evidence of
having to grant such tickets or money to a person who
has a full time paid job at a mosque. He is clearly
abusing his authority and taking advantage of the
unfortunate circumstances which surround you.
I would advise you to however seek advice from a qualified
scholar.
The fact that Imam Sajaad requested an Umrah ticket in
return for this is rather disturbing.
Seems to me like he
is portraying his black beard tactics. Black beard tactics
resemble those of a snake attacking his prey. The
black beard is the false pretence that he is doing
everything in the name of Islam, it is his natural
disgiuse.
In this
case, the snake being Sajaad, and you being the prey.
Sajaad being the snake, preys on vulnerable and
emotionally distressed victims. Relishing the opportunity
to be invited to help distressed victims, the snake
becomes excited and pretends to be helping. Infact, the
snake cannot wait for the opportunity to attack his prey.
Normally the attack is in the form of a financial request.
As in your case it was to financially support
him on a trip for Umrah.
The snake Sajaad is not a needy person as he is in full
time employment by the central mosque so this request
must not be confused with that of a poor person.

This in brief explains black beard (snake) tactics as
illustrated by Sajaad during your fathers death.
So people please beware and don't get caught out whilst
in emotional distress by the black beard pretence.

And boycott the Edinburgh central mosque, if no one went there they would soon change their corrupt practices. Or ask the police, fraud squad to investigate these claims.

Surely we cannot blame the whole mosque management for
the poor practices of one person, namely Imaam Sajaad.
I agree that the mosque management should be overall
responsible for it's Imaams, whom they employ and
sometimes
unfortunately but usually fortunately are the leaders
of the muslim
ummah of the area. ie, they lead the congregational
prayers, the Jummah khutba and represent us with their
decisions to the community.
My experiences with all the Imaams at the central mosque
have been pleasurable except for the many allegations
against this Imaam Sajaad - The black beard snake of the
pack who is over shadowing the great job which the central
mosque are doing. I mean, how many mosques do we know
about open up their doors for non-muslims and put on
an exhibition every year to explain their religion.
I say well done to the Edinburgh Central mosque for all
its efforts.

Regarding the snake of the pack, the serpent Sajaad - He
needs to go before people begin judging the mosque by
his practises. His practises include emotionally
black-mailing family members who have lost their father
for financial gain. Leading a crew of 80+ hindus into
a muslim cemetry for a role in some bollywood movie.

Lets pray that Allah deals with such an Imaam and the
people he feeds with his haram earnings.
All the central mosque management need to do is sack
this corrupt man as he is giving the whole mosque and the
rest of the great Imaams and management a bad name.
Wake up central mosque management!

Imaam Sajjad give badd name to mosque bekause he telling
peoples who praying at mosque that Matroodi and other
Imaams not liking him and that they cut his working hours.
Why Imaam is complainning to normal peoples who are going
to mosque for pray.
Why Imaam Sajjad complaing like this and giving mosque
bad names and complain to peoples about the other
Imaams and Matroodi?
Peoples wants to go mosque for pray, not to hearing you
complaints about rest of Imaams and Matroodi.
This not good way of Imaam.

sajad the imam from edinburgh central mosque.

you are a no good imam by allowing filming in the semetry. may Allah guide you. may Allah guide all the people you feding with this money from shooting.

In the hadith it states all those you not following Allah goodness, and perform diliberat greed. Allah will punish after this life. The first night of he grave will not ending till judgement day.

Apologise to all people who you have causeing diliberat hurt to. Your performing greed of money has hurt many feeling. May Allah Guide you. You eat haram and you become harame or if many people eating haram you become harames. Think about how mani you are feeding. If you perform umrah with greed ticket, Allah will not accept this.

You are to be helping people and guide them with Allah ways, insted you are harming and guiding people to wrong and haram.

salaam

has anybody reported these allegations against sajad to the mosque management?
if so when, who to and what was the response.

the mosque is incompetent/corupt to the top, no wonder these things are being allowed to happen or these rumours are allowed to spread. what are the management doing?

there is no accountability.

there has been no proper imam for sooooooooooooo long how can you expect the mosque to function properly

Subhanallah,you are abusing imam in this blessed month of shaban which is close month of great month of Ramadan.I also congratulate the website managers,inshaallah,you will get the reward for providing this opportunity to Edinburgh Muslims.abusing any Muslim is a great sin.If imam did mistake,he repent to God,and what about you,? The language was used is not the Muslim language.

It is concerning me why so many people complaining about
this one Imam?
I agree anyone should repent if he make mistake.
However, as an Imam, he is not just any man, he has
a level of authority and responsibility and therefore
should be held accountable.
This is not any man off the street, it is his full time
job performance, decisions and rather bizzare requests
that people seem to be complaing about here.
Humans make mistakes, but these people here are not
voicing their concerns about mistakes - I think people
seem to be more concerned with bad publicity he is giving
to the central mosque as an employee of theirs.

Hello, my name is Bilal. Read my comments above, I love
cursing people and having digs at people.
I know this is a terrible trait, but I cannot help myself.
I like saying Subhanallah Alhumdulillah with everything
I say to try and hide myself from being seen as a
hypocrite.

Only Allah, the All-Seeing, All-Knowing will deal with
such hypocrites.